Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4
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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4
#2What I’m really curious to see is whether or not “electric” is the single killer feature it is often positioned as.
Semi-autonomous driving and overall UX are two places that Tesla is just so far ahead. I think other manufacturers will make progress, but they are likely to be slow. Electric is compelling but it’s only a small part of the overall value prop for a lot of buyers.
Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4
#3I am never buying a Volkswagen after the Volkswagen Emissions Scandal in 2015.
Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4
#4What I’m really curious to see is whether or not “electric” is the single killer feature it is often positioned as. Semi-autonomous driving and overall UX are two places that Tesla is just so far ahead. I think other manufacturers will make progress, but they are likely to be slow. Electric is compelling but it’s only a small part of the overall value prop for a lot of buyers.
n=1 of course, but to me Teslas aren't compelling until they 1) are a company I want to support, 2) building a vehicle I want, at 3) a price I want to pay. They fail #1 in a bunch of entertaining ways, they don't make a vehicle that satisfies #2 either in features/size or in the absence of misfeatures like the center console or the quasi-automated car crasher, and they'd have to take a significant haircut to satisfy #3.
Your mileage, of course, may vary, but right now Hyundai's Kona EV is pretty close to that in terms of features/size/battery/price, for me. It's the car I'm considering as a moderate size upgrade over my current car (a super-compact hatchback). Being electric is a significant plus to me, enough that I'm considering the upgrade even though I don't strictly need it.
Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4
#5I'm kicking around the idea of an electric car, but the ranges of these things just utterly disappoint me. With some companies offering, or planning to offer 500ish mile ranges, it would feel immediately outdated to me to throw 40k on something with a ~200 mile range. Is battery tech that different between companies, is it cost prohibitive?
Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4
#6I am never buying a Volkswagen after the Volkswagen Emissions Scandal in 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
Then I guess you’re never buying any European car ever again because it has since come to light that they were all at it. A bit misplaced given the electric push anyhow surely?
Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4
#7I'm kicking around the idea of an electric car, but the ranges of these things just utterly disappoint me. With some companies offering, or planning to offer 500ish mile ranges, it would feel immediately outdated to me to throw 40k on something with a ~200 mile range. Is battery tech that different between companies, is it cost prohibitive?
I think if there was a perspective to upgrade to a more modern battery later on, that would make a huge difference for these decisions.
I wonder how much the actual battery contributes to the production costs. It can't be trivial, right?
Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4
#8I'm kicking around the idea of an electric car, but the ranges of these things just utterly disappoint me. With some companies offering, or planning to offer 500ish mile ranges, it would feel immediately outdated to me to throw 40k on something with a ~200 mile range. Is battery tech that different between companies, is it cost prohibitive?
I’m not informed but it seems all the high range cars are also the expensive ones. Mercedes EQS and Tesla Model S for example.
Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4
#9I'm kicking around the idea of an electric car, but the ranges of these things just utterly disappoint me. With some companies offering, or planning to offer 500ish mile ranges, it would feel immediately outdated to me to throw 40k on something with a ~200 mile range. Is battery tech that different between companies, is it cost prohibitive?
I think if there was a perspective to upgrade to a more modern battery later on, that would make a huge difference for these decisions. I wonder how much the actual battery contributes to the production costs. It can't be trivial, right?
Absolutely. If the battery were easily swappable, either by me or a low cost service center, AND a promise of bigger batteries was made, I'd probably bite. But as it sits, it seems like batteries are very central to the car and rather cost prohibitive to swap out.
Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4
#10I saw one in the wild last week and I am very happy to see that they look great and normal.