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Tesla's Autopilot 'tricked' to operate without driver

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Re: Tesla's Autopilot 'tricked' to operate without driver

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Post by thu2111 »

f6v wrote: post #2

Let me guess: was it a mannequin with its hands taped to the wheel?

Yeah. This is a ridiculous story by the BBC - it says the car can easily be tricked and then doesn't explain how. Surely that is the primary set of facts that are needed to evaluate the story?

Re: Tesla's Autopilot 'tricked' to operate without driver

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Post by renewiltord »

Guys, isn't this obvious? I can also "trick" a knife into stabbing me instead of cutting this carrot.

This is like the basic thing of giving your users power over the product they purchased.

What next? All cars can be tricked into driving into other cars with merely some steering input? "Researchers concluded that with a mild flick of the wrist, any driver could flatten 40 children in a preschool yard. Activists have called for wrist flick regulation over the years but their appeals have been ignored by all manufacturers except Daewoo - whose cars do not respond to steering input at all"

Re: Tesla's Autopilot 'tricked' to operate without driver

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Post by weare138 »

renewiltord wrote: post #4

Guys, isn't this obvious? I can also "trick" a knife into stabbing me instead of cutting this carrot. This is like the basic thing of giving your users power over the product they purchased. What next? All cars can be tricked into driving into other cars with merely some steering input? "Researchers concluded that with a mild flick of the wrist, any driver could flatten 40 children in a preschool yard. Activists have…

If my Honda can tell when I'm sitting in a seat but don't have my seat belt on then it seems like this is an easily solvable problem.

Re: Tesla's Autopilot 'tricked' to operate without driver

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Post by londons_explore »

weare138 wrote: post #6
renewiltord wrote: post #4

Guys, isn't this obvious? I can also "trick" a knife into stabbing me instead of cutting this carrot. This is like the basic thing of giving your users power over the product they purchased. What next? All cars can be tricked into driving into other cars with merely some steering input? "Researchers concluded that with a mild flick of the wrist, any driver could flatten 40 children in a preschool yard. Activists have…

If my Honda can tell when I'm sitting in a seat but don't have my seat belt on then it seems like this is an easily solvable problem.

Tesla's already do this, but it's easy enough to fool - just put a bag on the seat and put the seatbelt round it.

Re: Tesla's Autopilot 'tricked' to operate without driver

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Post by londons_explore »

Could the real issue here be that this technology is "too alluring".

In the same way some medicines are regulated to stop people self medicating, perhaps cars need to be made less tempting to be stupid with...

For example, perhaps a $1000 deposit that you lose if you are ever found to not be paying attention at the wheel?

Re: Tesla's Autopilot 'tricked' to operate without driver

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Post by capableweb »

thu2111 wrote: post #3
f6v wrote: post #2

Let me guess: was it a mannequin with its hands taped to the wheel?

Yeah. This is a ridiculous story by the BBC - it says the car can easily be tricked and then doesn't explain how. Surely that is the primary set of facts that are needed to evaluate the story?

If Tesla hasn't implemented a fix for the problem yet, it's possible that BBC is choosing not to share the trick, as then more people would do it. Similarly to how we have "responsible disclosure" of security issues, or not writing too much about suicide in media as it'll increase overall suicides.
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