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The American-Dream-as-a-Service

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Re: The American-Dream-as-a-Service

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> As the number of programmers increases, the demand for programmers grows exponentially faster because we can create whatever widgets we want on our phone and sell them for whatever. It’s just infinite leverage at infinite scale for basically free.

Just because software doesn't have the same physical limitations, doesn't mean its usefulness and market value are unlimited. We use software to get physical output, even if only to draw pictures and make sounds. Said another way, there isn't infinite attention or need.

So pay to produce it will likely fall off as the market becomes saturated.

Re: The American-Dream-as-a-Service

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I'm feel very lucky to have gotten my first "programming job" without a technical interview (it was an unpaid high-school internship that I turned into a programming job, and eventually became full-time after I was old enough to be an employee). Interviews are still tough for me, I have experienced interview anxiety extreme enough that I went home instead of continuing a day of on-sites. The interview anxiety is totally unlike anything I deal with on the job, including during other "high stress" activities like presentations, or pair coding and debugging.

Starting my career I stepped into a totally different world. I have a lot of empathy for the situations Austen that mentions here, which are mostly even more stark than my own. I also have a ton of embarrassing stories and memories. Moving between totally different socio-economic contexts is difficult, and complicated.

Re: The American-Dream-as-a-Service

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> As the number of programmers increases, the demand for programmers grows exponentially faster because we can create whatever widgets we want on our phone and sell them for whatever. It’s just infinite leverage at infinite scale for basically free. Just because software doesn't have the same physical limitations, doesn't mean its usefulness and market value are unlimited. We use software to get physical output, even…

Agreed. If a barista can go from zero to full stack developer in six months and there’s no barrier to entry like lawyers/doctors have, salaries are going to crash. It’s only a matter of when.

Re: The American-Dream-as-a-Service

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> As the number of programmers increases, the demand for programmers grows exponentially faster because we can create whatever widgets we want on our phone and sell them for whatever. It’s just infinite leverage at infinite scale for basically free. Just because software doesn't have the same physical limitations, doesn't mean its usefulness and market value are unlimited. We use software to get physical output, even…

Agreed. If a barista can go from zero to full stack developer in six months and there’s no barrier to entry like lawyers/doctors have, salaries are going to crash. It’s only a matter of when.

Except that software developers mostly create problems for future developers to solve, increasing -- not decreasing -- demand. The barrier of entry has always been low, yet salaries have only gone up.

Re: The American-Dream-as-a-Service

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I think people need to realize you’re getting a terrible deal when you give Lambda School x% of your earnings at your first job. Also as someone who went to college and paid for it myself these bootcamps are detracting from my American Dream because they’re empowering corporations to pay lower salaries to everyone because they have boot camp grads eager to be paid lower wages. Other specialized fields don’t allow this and for good reason, it’s really rather frustrating to those who went through the rigors of earning a degree to have to compete with someone who has an education that isn’t certified by the education system.

Re: The American-Dream-as-a-Service

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post #3

I'm feel very lucky to have gotten my first "programming job" without a technical interview (it was an unpaid high-school internship that I turned into a programming job, and eventually became full-time after I was old enough to be an employee). Interviews are still tough for me, I have experienced interview anxiety extreme enough that I went home instead of continuing a day of on-sites. The interview anxiety is tota…

I suggest practicing over and over again to reduce your anxiety. We all feel anxious when doing a whiteboard or now VC interview where they can ask you anything and you feel like you have to instantly answer.

Re: The American-Dream-as-a-Service

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post #3

I'm feel very lucky to have gotten my first "programming job" without a technical interview (it was an unpaid high-school internship that I turned into a programming job, and eventually became full-time after I was old enough to be an employee). Interviews are still tough for me, I have experienced interview anxiety extreme enough that I went home instead of continuing a day of on-sites. The interview anxiety is tota…

1) A friend said something valuable to me 20 years ago, "Just think of interviews as lottery tickets." Luck is a large factor in what questions you'll be asked and by whom. Knowing this takes most of the pressure off candidates.

2) It's tempting to think of co-workers in the same industry as your colleagues or even friends, but that's not true in the software industry. As you can see from HN forum post responses, the people in our industry are mostly pedantic assholes. Understanding this is key to avoiding disappointment derived from other people.

3) One of the biggest challenges our industry is facing is that between millennials who have never read a newspaper and literally don't know anything at a fundamental level, and those who do know more than "the socials", which is interpreted in the office as heresy now.

Re: The American-Dream-as-a-Service

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I think people need to realize you’re getting a terrible deal when you give Lambda School x% of your earnings at your first job. Also as someone who went to college and paid for it myself these bootcamps are detracting from my American Dream because they’re empowering corporations to pay lower salaries to everyone because they have boot camp grads eager to be paid lower wages. Other specialized fields don’t allow thi…

Is this a joke or are you being serious? The last thing we need is a mandatory certification program for software developers. If employers aren't willing to pay you extra for your degree then that's your problem. All that matters is ability to do the work.

Re: The American-Dream-as-a-Service

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> As the number of programmers increases, the demand for programmers grows exponentially faster because we can create whatever widgets we want on our phone and sell them for whatever. It’s just infinite leverage at infinite scale for basically free. Just because software doesn't have the same physical limitations, doesn't mean its usefulness and market value are unlimited. We use software to get physical output, even…

I was about to comment on that same statement. The author seems to be confusing supply with demand.

Simply because you can create and distribute something doesn't mean there is a market for it. If you could, we would see a lot more professional poets.

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