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#2What Apple didn't really address is the growing socializing of data and in what context it is consumed, not just by the data's owner, but by their social graph. Without enabling native apps to do this, cross-platform apps will have a lot of room to grow.
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#3I'd phrase it as "Apple 's frame is their screen" - those native apps run in a lot of places, but they don't run everywhere.
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#4Google’s frame is the browser window. Apple’s frame is the screen. That’s what we’ll remember about today’s keynote ten years from now.
Yes, but for some reason I don't interpret that as an advantage for Apple. There will always be more ways to access a web page or web app, than devices/form factors that Apple will produce.
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#5Apple’s is about native apps you run on devices. Apple is as committed to native apps — on the desktop, tablet, and handheld — as it has ever been.
Google’s frame is the browser window. Apple’s frame is the screen.
I don't see this conclusion following from his premise. Perhaps there was more in the keynote that he didn't include.
Or maybe I am unimaginative and think installing native apps on all of the devices I use regardless of who owns them, or where they are located, or where my discs are is harder than installing a browser based web app or using an HTML5 website.
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#6So, if the next fight will be apps vs web (or screen vs browser), what does this mean for us hackers? And what about Facebook?
Already we create a web app, a mobile version, an API, a Chrome extension, a Firefox extension, a Facebook app, not to mention mobile and tablet apps for anywhere between 1 and 6 platforms.
Isn't this all getting particularly spaghetti-like? Weren't we supposed to have platform convergence, not platform divergence? There's a good opportunity here for "write once, deploy everywhere" code/platforms, and methodologies that maximise DRY while playing to each platform's strengths.
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#7Gruber is repeating the obvious, but in a convoluted way.
Apple is about selling HW. Google is about selling ads.
That's it. Everything else falls from that.
Google's goal is to commodotize HW, and I this is, at least theoretically, doable. Apple can't really commodotize ads, at least in no way I can think of.
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#8having used the Cr48 and a 3g iPad for several months in the US and Japan, I think Apple's vision is more robust, ultimately better for me, the end user. When I'm mobile, whether I'm doing sysadmin, reading, listening to music, I can do more of it, in more locations (especially offline), with better, more reliable apps, on an iPad.
edit: reposted here from a comment on the webian group:
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I wrote this a few weeks ago, seems relevant as the mobile space heats up with WWDC announcements.
http://wherein.posterous.com/i-review-the-cr48
bottom line: don't forget about international travelers, spartan environments, and that whole, whacky "offline" idea. You want to be relevant 50 years from now on Mars, where the light speed round-trip to earth takes minutes, offline use remains fundamental.
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#9So, if the next fight will be apps vs web (or screen vs browser), what does this mean for us hackers? And what about Facebook? Already we create a web app, a mobile version, an API, a Chrome extension, a Firefox extension, a Facebook app, not to mention mobile and tablet apps for anywhere between 1 and 6 platforms. Isn't this all getting particularly spaghetti-like? Weren't we supposed to have platform convergence, n…
There's a good opportunity here for "write once, deploy everywhere" code/platforms
Working on it... http://www.webmynd.com
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#10Gruber is repeating the obvious, but in a convoluted way. Apple is about selling HW. Google is about selling ads. That's it. Everything else falls from that. Google's goal is to commodotize HW, and I this is, at least theoretically, doable. Apple can't really commodotize ads, at least in no way I can think of.
Apple's goal isn't to commoditize ads, but to commoditize the software that runs on their hardware. And they've done an excellent job of that with the app store - with hundreds of thousands of apps available.