Local-First Software:You Own Your Data, in Spite of the Cloud (2019) [pdf]
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Local-First Software:You Own Your Data, in Spite of the Cloud (2019) [pdf]
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Re: Local-First Software:You Own Your Data, in Spite of the Cloud (2019) [pdf]
#2The headline is about the aspiration but not the implementation.
Within the contents of the paper, it talks about CRDTs to technically implement it.
I'm not familiar with the technical tradeoffs but I bookmarked some past HN threads mentioning CRDT did not fare as well as OT (Operational Transform):
Re: Local-First Software:You Own Your Data, in Spite of the Cloud (2019) [pdf]
#3These kinds of ideas always get traction here on HN or similar places (slashdot), but I think that ship has long sailed. People, by and large, seem to be totally okay with storing data in the cloud -- from Dropbox, to Google Docs, to InVision. All things considered, data breaches are rare, and if they do happen, they're usually to be blamed on configuration blunders, not the services at large.
Other than a few highly-specialized niches (InfoSec, government, military), the de-facto reality is that online-first collaboration pros seem to outweigh the cons.
Re: Local-First Software:You Own Your Data, in Spite of the Cloud (2019) [pdf]
#4These kinds of ideas always get traction here on HN or similar places (slashdot), but I think that ship has long sailed. People, by and large, seem to be totally okay with storing data in the cloud -- from Dropbox, to Google Docs, to InVision. All things considered, data breaches are rare, and if they do happen, they're usually to be blamed on configuration blunders, not the services at large. Other than a few highly…
> People, by and large, seem to be totally okay with storing data in the cloud
It's simply not true, or if it is, it's only because of what you're choosing to looking at to build your view of how it 'seems'.
https://mydata.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... https://ethereum.org/en/ https://solid.mit.edu/
Meeting every week: https://identity.foundation/working-groups/secure-data-stora...
> All things considered, data breaches are rare, and if they do happen, they're usually to be blamed on configuration blunders, not the services at large.
Did you work at Google? Do you know about PRISM? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#C...
Can't tell if you're intentionally or accidentally misleading.
Re: Local-First Software:You Own Your Data, in Spite of the Cloud (2019) [pdf]
#5These kinds of ideas always get traction here on HN or similar places (slashdot), but I think that ship has long sailed. People, by and large, seem to be totally okay with storing data in the cloud -- from Dropbox, to Google Docs, to InVision. All things considered, data breaches are rare, and if they do happen, they're usually to be blamed on configuration blunders, not the services at large. Other than a few highly…
From a business perspective, it doesn't really matter. There's still a large market of people that do care about it. Look at the explosive growth of Obsidian in large part because it's a local-first solution.
In addition, there's a difference between using those services and being "totally okay" with it. If you like Evernote, then sure, you'll be using the cloud. If you had a way to use Evernote without storing your data in someone else's cloud, a lot of people would be happy.
Even non-technical people talk all the time about not trusting services because of data issues. Many will not use a new service because they're worried about their data if the service stops. It's a really big issue for businesses.
Re: Local-First Software:You Own Your Data, in Spite of the Cloud (2019) [pdf]
#6These kinds of ideas always get traction here on HN or similar places (slashdot), but I think that ship has long sailed. People, by and large, seem to be totally okay with storing data in the cloud -- from Dropbox, to Google Docs, to InVision. All things considered, data breaches are rare, and if they do happen, they're usually to be blamed on configuration blunders, not the services at large. Other than a few highly…
> People, by and large, seem to be totally okay with storing data in the cloud It's simply not true, or if it is, it's only because of what you're choosing to looking at to build your view of how it 'seems'. https://mydata.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... https://ethereum.org/en/ https://solid.mit.edu/ Meeting every week: https://identity.foundation/working-groups/secure-data-stora…
> Can't tell if you're intentionally or accidentally misleading.
All I'm doing is looking at the market cap of companies like Facebook and Dropbox. I mean, hell, Facebook literally sold personal data and sure, you occasionally see "boycott FB" movements, but they're all bark and no bite.
Re: Local-First Software:You Own Your Data, in Spite of the Cloud (2019) [pdf]
#7These kinds of ideas always get traction here on HN or similar places (slashdot), but I think that ship has long sailed. People, by and large, seem to be totally okay with storing data in the cloud -- from Dropbox, to Google Docs, to InVision. All things considered, data breaches are rare, and if they do happen, they're usually to be blamed on configuration blunders, not the services at large. Other than a few highly…
People have no clue as to how computers and networks work. In fact, you may have even interviewed people for software jobs who don't have a solid grasp on these matters.
This is good news, as far as system architecture is concerned, as the opinion that matters is principally concerned with utility, convenience, usability, etc.
Secondly, the ship may have sailed, but interestingly these ships apparently are generational. There used to be a ship called AOL. /g
(There is a reason every ideological effort for authoritarian control heads straight for the school house and youth camps. The reason is the said 'ship' that sails, on schedule, every ~20 years.)
Re: Local-First Software:You Own Your Data, in Spite of the Cloud (2019) [pdf]
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People, by and large, seem to be totally okay with storing data in the cloud It's simply not true, or if it is, it's only because of what you're choosing to looking at to build your view of how it 'seems'. https://mydata.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... https://ethereum.org/en/ https://solid.mit.edu/ Meeting every week: https://identity.foundation/working-groups/secure-data-stora…
> Can't tell if you're intentionally or accidentally misleading. All I'm doing is looking at the market cap of companies like Facebook and Dropbox. I mean, hell, Facebook literally sold personal data and sure, you occasionally see "boycott FB" movements, but they're all bark and no bite.
This is sort of like saying people are okay with cancer because they buy certain plastics in mass. The reality is people are ignorant of what is good for them in a ton of applications, including this one.
Only a handful really grasp the context of what is happening with their data and most importantly how their data could affect them.
People routinely do things against their own interest. It's up to the other people that care about this issue to make competing products that don't harm. There's simply no way to get everyone to really care about an issue with nuance and/or niche knowledge.
Re: Local-First Software:You Own Your Data, in Spite of the Cloud (2019) [pdf]
#9Even a lot of devs have turned to aws/azure/gcp.... Local first is too much responsibility for some.
Re: Local-First Software:You Own Your Data, in Spite of the Cloud (2019) [pdf]
#10These kinds of ideas always get traction here on HN or similar places (slashdot), but I think that ship has long sailed. People, by and large, seem to be totally okay with storing data in the cloud -- from Dropbox, to Google Docs, to InVision. All things considered, data breaches are rare, and if they do happen, they're usually to be blamed on configuration blunders, not the services at large. Other than a few highly…
People use the cloud because they are being forced through the software user interfaces. Working with local files takes increasingly more steps compared to cloud based solutions. So I wouldn't exactly say that people are ok with it, it feels more like they choice is being made for them.