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Grow the IndieWeb with Webmentions

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Re: Grow the IndieWeb with Webmentions

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Post by superkuh »

toomim wrote: post #2

Do you get any spam webmentions? Do you do anything to prevent spam?

If you implement webmention spec then the URL and page that mention you have to have a link on the page back to the post they are mentioning. This filters out a lot of spam. There's a more complicated anti-spam system that isn't fully implemented yet.

I personally run a catch-all for POSTs on my webmention endpoint so I can do pingback and arbitrary stuff with it too. In terms of spam, yeah, old trackback/pingback spammers are still doing their thing. I get a dozen or so a day. It's easy to filter most out by looking for any triplicate or greater POSTs but that requires doing batch processing.

Overall I think webmention would fall to spam if it became popular but right now it's a wonderful time. This applies to all systems open enough to be useful. It's the natural lifecycle.

Re: Grow the IndieWeb with Webmentions

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Post by wiml »

For those like me who are out of the loop:

* Webmentions are like pingbacks, but use a simple POST instead of an XMLRPC call;

* They're not particularly new (2013ish);

* Webmention.io is a service to make it easier to participate in webmentions without operating your own POST endpoint.

Re: Grow the IndieWeb with Webmentions

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Post by bwclk »

Becoming a "citizen of the IndieWeb"† seems to require you to be a web developer. Level 1 requires knowledge of HTML, or a CMS that exposes the rel attribute on links (is that common?). Level 2 requires specific CSS classes and... more than I can summarize succinctly here. And there's still Level 3 to go. It's hard to see this growing beyond web developers unless it's baked into other software as an incidental.

† https://indiewebify.me - linked in the article as "a quick start to becoming a citizen of the IndieWeb"

Re: Grow the IndieWeb with Webmentions

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Post by rascul »

bwclk wrote: post #7

Becoming a "citizen of the IndieWeb"† seems to require you to be a web developer. Level 1 requires knowledge of HTML, or a CMS that exposes the rel attribute on links (is that common?). Level 2 requires specific CSS classes and... more than I can summarize succinctly here. And there's still Level 3 to go. It's hard to see this growing beyond web developers unless it's baked into other software as an incidental. † htt…

There is a list [0] which may be informative. Known [1] implements a number of IndieWeb things, and there are Wordpress plugins. [2]

[0] https://indieweb.org/projects

[1] https://withknown.com/

[2] https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Plugins

Re: Grow the IndieWeb with Webmentions

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Post by rascul »

superkuh wrote: post #4
toomim wrote: post #2

Do you get any spam webmentions? Do you do anything to prevent spam?

If you implement webmention spec then the URL and page that mention you have to have a link on the page back to the post they are mentioning. This filters out a lot of spam. There's a more complicated anti-spam system that isn't fully implemented yet. I personally run a catch-all for POSTs on my webmention endpoint so I can do pingback and arbitrary stuff with it too. In terms of spam, yeah, old trackback/pingback sp…

> There's a more complicated anti-spam system that isn't fully implemented yet.

You may be thinking of Vouch.

https://indieweb.org/Vouch

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