Open source chess developers warn about a commercial engine based on Stockfish
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Re: Open source chess developers warn about a commercial engine based on Stockfish
#2As long as the license allowed it, I'm not seeing the issue. Sure; it's a less-then-advertised product, but the world is full of those.
If people want to drop 100$ on something that doesn't work as well as the free alternative, more power to them. People do it everyday in the real world.
Re: Open source chess developers warn about a commercial engine based on Stockfish
#3> Everyone is allowed to copy Stockfish/Leela and sell them, provided the terms of the Stockfish/Leela license are met. But don’t pretend that the product being sold is something it isn’t.
What's the issue? Did OS contributors suddenly realize you can make money off software? They're upset at marketers doing marketing?
Don't understand the downvotes. If they violated the terms of the license or did something illegal then sue, otherwise they're just whinging.
Re: Open source chess developers warn about a commercial engine based on Stockfish
#4This is a natural consequence of releasing an open source project.
It’s the equivalent of leaving a car open with a key, documents and an invitation to drive it for free.
Re: Open source chess developers warn about a commercial engine based on Stockfish
#5Stockfish is under the GPL (IIRC) so I wouldn't be that worried.
Re: Open source chess developers warn about a commercial engine based on Stockfish
#6As long as the license allowed it, I'm not seeing the issue. Sure; it's a less-then-advertised product, but the world is full of those. If people want to drop 100$ on something that doesn't work as well as the free alternative, more power to them. People do it everyday in the real world.
The issue is it is fraud
Re: Open source chess developers warn about a commercial engine based on Stockfish
#7This is a natural consequence of releasing an open source project. It’s the equivalent of leaving a car open with a key, documents and an invitation to drive it for free.
It's closer to releasing a genetically engineered racing driver for that car.
Anyone else is free to use said driver, but in this case if they make him faster they have to make their changes public because of the GPL
Re: Open source chess developers warn about a commercial engine based on Stockfish
#8Clicking the link with lichess installed just opens the app. Long-press to open in a new tab.
Re: Open source chess developers warn about a commercial engine based on Stockfish
#9I would have assumed that most people interested in chess engines are a pretty savvy and will do their research before buying anything, making the whole "create a sub-par ripoff" a rather ineffective strategy.
Re: Open source chess developers warn about a commercial engine based on Stockfish
#10As long as the license allowed it, I'm not seeing the issue. Sure; it's a less-then-advertised product, but the world is full of those. If people want to drop 100$ on something that doesn't work as well as the free alternative, more power to them. People do it everyday in the real world.
While this is something I would expect from a small random company, ChessBase is pretty big in the chess world.
For them to promote this "new" engine on their shop[0] feels wrong, I would expect them to meet certain quality threshold.
Lichess does mention this in the bottom of the post, which has the same feeling:
> Everyone is permitted and encouraged to modify and improve code from Stockfish/Leela while giving credit; that is the intent of open-source software. Everyone is allowed to copy Stockfish/Leela and sell them, provided the terms of the Stockfish/Leela license are met. But don’t pretend that the product being sold is something it isn’t.