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Launch HN: Cowrie.app – Pay Salaried Employees Daily

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Launch HN: Cowrie.app – Pay Salaried Employees Daily

#1
Hi HN.

We are Peet and Adrienne, co-founders of Cowrie.app - https://cowrie.app. We are building a modern payroll system that allows employers to pay their employees at the end of every day.

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Why can't salaried employees get paid daily?

That's the question we pondered at the beginning of our journey.

Many of us have been in a position where we faced a short-term cash crunch. Furthermore, everyday systems don't align nicely with bi-weekly or monthly pay schedules. Bills and credit cards are often times due mid-month. Emergencies happen. And sometimes employees need disposable income immediately - to buy GME shares for instance. By waiting until the the next payday, employees are essentially loaning money to their employers. It sucks for them to get charged late fees, overdraft fees or God forbid they result to payday loans on money they have already earned that simply hasn't cleared.

The reason employees don't get paid daily in the USA is simply historical. Back in the day when humans crunched numbers with calculators, it was labor intensive to calculate withholdings, various taxes, benefits and send out checks. To save on these costs, employers simply reduced the number of times these calculations occurred. But nowadays, we have more than enough technology to make these calculations daily.

At cowrie, we are building a modernized payroll system that performs direct deposits at the end of every day.

We love this community and we’d welcome your ideas/ experiences/ feedback on what we’re building!

Re: Launch HN: Cowrie.app – Pay Salaried Employees Daily

#2
While it's an interesting proposition, I don't really understand the problem you're solving here. Could you perhaps elaborate? If anything, I prefer getting paid monthly — I pay my expenses monthly and do it all in one go, it's very convenient. Getting paid small lumps every day I'd have to put a lot more time into budgeting imo.

Re: Launch HN: Cowrie.app – Pay Salaried Employees Daily

#3
post #2

While it's an interesting proposition, I don't really understand the problem you're solving here. Could you perhaps elaborate? If anything, I prefer getting paid monthly — I pay my expenses monthly and do it all in one go, it's very convenient. Getting paid small lumps every day I'd have to put a lot more time into budgeting imo.

I also just don't see the incentive for companies to go against the grain and pay money to do so. I guess it could be advertised as a perk to applicants?

Re: Launch HN: Cowrie.app – Pay Salaried Employees Daily

#4
post #2

While it's an interesting proposition, I don't really understand the problem you're solving here. Could you perhaps elaborate? If anything, I prefer getting paid monthly — I pay my expenses monthly and do it all in one go, it's very convenient. Getting paid small lumps every day I'd have to put a lot more time into budgeting imo.

I also just don't see the incentive for companies to go against the grain and pay money to do so. I guess it could be advertised as a perk to applicants?

It's meant simply as a perk.

While temporary cash crunches are not an issue for experienced professionals - they are problematic for students who just graduated college and are newly employed or to those who have been laid off and are re-entering the workforce.

Re: Launch HN: Cowrie.app – Pay Salaried Employees Daily

#5
post #2

While it's an interesting proposition, I don't really understand the problem you're solving here. Could you perhaps elaborate? If anything, I prefer getting paid monthly — I pay my expenses monthly and do it all in one go, it's very convenient. Getting paid small lumps every day I'd have to put a lot more time into budgeting imo.

Would it help if you could choose your pay schedule on your payroll system?

I don't see why you shouldn't be able to leave your money to accumulate and eventually sent out automatically in lump-sump at the end of the month to pay bills at your convenience.

Re: Launch HN: Cowrie.app – Pay Salaried Employees Daily

#6
post #2

While it's an interesting proposition, I don't really understand the problem you're solving here. Could you perhaps elaborate? If anything, I prefer getting paid monthly — I pay my expenses monthly and do it all in one go, it's very convenient. Getting paid small lumps every day I'd have to put a lot more time into budgeting imo.

I think the primary idea is quick accessibility of funds, rather than the incremental pay. In terms of accessibility, I wonder if a payroll system that comes with a bank account for each employee would be beneficial here. The convenience of an app account à la Venmo where transactions can occur immediately and funds transferred to ordinary accounts would be attractive.

Re: Launch HN: Cowrie.app – Pay Salaried Employees Daily

#7
The value proposition is strongest for hourly employees who earn little money and are gouged left and right by overdraft fees, loan sharks and credit card fees.

There's an interesting planet money episode about that.

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/13/787996422/episode-957-youre-g...

Re: Launch HN: Cowrie.app – Pay Salaried Employees Daily

#8
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also just don't see the incentive for companies to go against the grain and pay money to do so. I guess it could be advertised as a perk to applicants?

It's meant simply as a perk. While temporary cash crunches are not an issue for experienced professionals - they are problematic for students who just graduated college and are newly employed or to those who have been laid off and are re-entering the workforce.

While I see where you're coming from, I think there's a divide here that you might be missing. Students and the like are usually the lowest value workforce and organizations would have little interest in paying extra to accommodate for them. If they want to attract more young talent, it's easier to offer a higher salary instead. While perks do matter in hiring, I don't see this outweighing other uses you could get out of the same money.

Of course, I could be completely wrong and godspeed to you if you see a market for it, simply offering my two cents of feedback.