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Re: ProtonMail, Tutanota urging EU to reconsider encryption rules

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

christophilus wrote: post #2

It really is amazing to me that anyone thinks it's reasonable policy to ban end-to-end encryption. For the sake of national security, I would want to strengthen the security of digital data, not weaken it.

Can't spy on your populace if they're end-to-end encrypted.

Re: ProtonMail, Tutanota urging EU to reconsider encryption rules

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Post by bayindirh »

christophilus wrote: post #2

It really is amazing to me that anyone thinks it's reasonable policy to ban end-to-end encryption. For the sake of national security, I would want to strengthen the security of digital data, not weaken it.

As far as I understood, the problem stems from the Crypto AG era. Governments are addicted to be able to listen to communications of everyone and don't want to lose their toys.

Also, EU is far more advanced in terms of invisible security so, they don't want to lose the tools which enable them to do it.

We need to re-think security and people are lazy about it because, it's hard.

Edit: My English gets a hit when I'm low on caffeine, hmm...

Re: ProtonMail, Tutanota urging EU to reconsider encryption rules

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Post by amelius »

christophilus wrote: post #2

It really is amazing to me that anyone thinks it's reasonable policy to ban end-to-end encryption. For the sake of national security, I would want to strengthen the security of digital data, not weaken it.

Can't we have E2EE+G? (end-to-end encryption, plus government can see everything)

Not saying this is a good idea, though.

Re: ProtonMail, Tutanota urging EU to reconsider encryption rules

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Post by bayindirh »

amelius wrote: post #6
christophilus wrote: post #2

It really is amazing to me that anyone thinks it's reasonable policy to ban end-to-end encryption. For the sake of national security, I would want to strengthen the security of digital data, not weaken it.

Can't we have E2EE+G? (end-to-end encryption, plus government can see everything) Not saying this is a good idea, though.

Welcome to 1998 aka "The Clipper Chip"[0]

Also: We know how CSS, BluRay Master Keys, TSA Keys and other various signing keys fared in the wild.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_chip

Re: ProtonMail, Tutanota urging EU to reconsider encryption rules

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Post by bayindirh »

FrozenVoid wrote: post #3

Centralized services are not going to provide 100% reliable end-to-end encryption, they're vulnerable 'single-point-of-failure' that can be pressured/hacked/etc to disclose their users data.

Proton is "Zero Knowledge" so, they can't divulge anything but, with a weak enough password, high enough computational power or with a big enough wrench[0], you can get anything.

[0]: https://xkcd.com/538/

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