Show HN: Compare prices that US hospitals charge patients, insurance companies
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#2Anyway, it seems that there are orders of magnitude differences for the same service.
The service 'MRI Lumbar Spine With & Without Contrast Material' has a lowest price of $210 while the closest and highest I personally could find was ~$4109.
How can there be such a large difference in price for something that, I believe, is legally & medically the same procedure?
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#4How do you plan to keep the data current?
Also, in the US, is a patient realistically able to say, “Hospital X is able to get my compound fracture surgery done for 65% less. Match it or I walk”, especially when insurances have negotiated rates.
Or is this only useful for people with no insurance?
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#5It would be nice to be able to see the lowest & highest prices & other stats. I can manually find the lowest price by sorting by price but I can't seem to reverse it to show the highest price first... Anyway, it seems that there are orders of magnitude differences for the same service. The service 'MRI Lumbar Spine With & Without Contrast Material' has a lowest price of $210 while the closest and highest I personally…
From the data we did get our hands on, I remember seeing price differences like $200 vs $4k for the exact same procedure. The low cost provider was usually a private practice radiologist in a small shopping mall type retail location who ran a very efficient, low overhead practice. They were terrible at marketing and ran discounts for volume from certain channels. They were only open Monday to Friday from 8am to 4pm, read times could often (but not always) be slow, they handled the least complex cases and no emergencies. Cash pay up front from patients resulting in no/minimal collections. The high cost provider was usually a large University affiliated medical center who ran a less efficient, high overhead radiology department but who also, in their defense, had to handle more complex cases as well as be open 24/7 to service one or multiple emergency departments with faster read times. Lots of fighting with insurance companies for eventual reimbursement. Lots of bad debt that went to collections and had to be written down.
If you pay University prices for a simple MRI you are effectively subsidizing the ED admit who needs a complex imaging procedure in the middle of the night. If consumers start to shop for MRIs the way they shop for airline tickets - which they probably should - one downstream effect will be to remove billions of dollars of "subsidies" from the most well-resourced radiology departments in the country. If I remember correctly the diagnostic imaging market was something like $150 billion/year in 2015, and probably even bigger now, i.e. plenty of potential fat to cut.
Re: Show HN: Compare prices that US hospitals charge patients, insurance companies
#6It would be nice to be able to see the lowest & highest prices & other stats. I can manually find the lowest price by sorting by price but I can't seem to reverse it to show the highest price first... Anyway, it seems that there are orders of magnitude differences for the same service. The service 'MRI Lumbar Spine With & Without Contrast Material' has a lowest price of $210 while the closest and highest I personally…
I hope this never happens, but let’s say you got in a motorcycle accident and need that lumbar MRI to figure out the damage. What are going to do, get back on that wrecked motorcycle with a fucked up spine and go to that 210$ place?
They do it because they can do it and get away with it.
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#10Why are the prices so insane? Where do the money go? I'm from Eastern Europe so of course the prices would be different, but by an order of a magnitude at the minimum seems strange.
- medical malpractice insurance -> legal system
- big pharma/med devices industry