Apple's Open Source Releases

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Post by playhard » Sat, May 14, 2011, 11:25 AM UTC

Apple's Open Source Releases
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Re: Apple's Open Source Releases

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Re: Apple's Open Source Releases

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Post by cbf » Sat, May 14, 2011, 12:49 PM UTC

I don't see what is noteworthy about this. It's not a new site so why the interest?

Re: Apple's Open Source Releases

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Post by cubicle67 » Sat, May 14, 2011, 1:08 PM UTC

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Re: Apple's Open Source Releases

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Post by jws » Sat, May 14, 2011, 2:23 PM UTC

cbf wrote: post #3

I don't see what is noteworthy about this. It's not a new site so why the interest?

I think perhaps because the WebCore for iOS 4.3.3 is in there. There was a "squeaky wheel" episode a week or so ago about Apple not releasing all of the source code for LGPL projects in a timely manner, this may be the "grease".

Re: Apple's Open Source Releases

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Post by saurik » Sat, May 14, 2011, 3:52 PM UTC

jws wrote: post #5

cbf wrote: post #3

I don't see what is noteworthy about this. It's not a new site so why the interest?

I think perhaps because the WebCore for iOS 4.3.3 is in there. There was a "squeaky wheel" episode a week or so ago about Apple not releasing all of the source code for LGPL projects in a timely manner, this may be the "grease".

Apple still has not released the requisite source code for WebCore (they redact code from it for their WAK* classes that they are not allowed to by the license, and which stymies work on iOS WebCore modifications).

Re: Apple's Open Source Releases

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Post by tzs » Sat, May 14, 2011, 4:22 PM UTC

saurik wrote: post #6

jws wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think perhaps because the WebCore for iOS 4.3.3 is in there. There was a "squeaky wheel" episode a week or so ago about Apple not releasing all of the source code for LGPL projects in a timely manner, this may be the "grease".

Apple still has not released the requisite source code for WebCore (they redact code from it for their WAK* classes that they are not allowed to by the license, and which stymies work on iOS WebCore modifications).

Who wrote the WAK* classes?

Re: Apple's Open Source Releases

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Post by saurik » Sat, May 14, 2011, 4:29 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #7

saurik wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple still has not released the requisite source code for WebCore (they redact code from it for their WAK* classes that they are not allowed to by the license, and which stymies work on iOS WebCore modifications).

Who wrote the WAK* classes?

Given that these classes have been maintained at Apple over the course of multiple years, I'd imagine multiple engineers were involved in it's construction. If your intention is to track them down personally and harrass thrm, I'd rather this be taken up as a matter of corporate policy ;P. (Seriously, though: why does this matter?)

Re: Apple's Open Source Releases

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Post by tzs » Sat, May 14, 2011, 9:02 PM UTC

saurik wrote: post #8

tzs wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who wrote the WAK* classes?

Given that these classes have been maintained at Apple over the course of multiple years, I'd imagine multiple engineers were involved in it's construction. If your intention is to track them down personally and harrass thrm, I'd rather this be taken up as a matter of corporate policy ;P. (Seriously, though: why does this matter?)

If they were written by Apple employees, then Apple likely owns the copyright on them, and the claim that Apple is required by some license to release their source is then in doubt.

Re: Apple's Open Source Releases

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Post by saurik » Sat, May 14, 2011, 9:10 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #9

saurik wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that these classes have been maintained at Apple over the course of multiple years, I'd imagine multiple engineers were involved in it's construction. If your intention is to track them down personally and harrass thrm, I'd rather this be taken up as a matter of corporate policy ;P. (Seriously, though: why does this matter?)

If they were written by Apple employees, then Apple likely owns the copyright on them, and the claim that Apple is required by some license to release their source is then in doubt.

I'm sorry, are you serious? Apple chose, of their own volition, to modify, compile, and then distribute a derivative version of WebCore, a project clearly licensed under the LGPL. In order to be compliant with this license, all new/modified code statically linked to the code they took must be cleanly separated from the rest of the binary in a fashion that would allow a working replacement to be compiled and used in its place. So, whether they want to cough up the code for WAK* or "just" give us un-linked clean object files so I can link their work together myself, as it stands they are simply violating this license, and the only thing "in doubt" is their right to use and modify WebCore.