Players to sue for hundreds of millions over use of their statistics
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Re: Players to sue for hundreds of millions over use of their statistics
#2IANAL. Statistics sound like a compilation of facts. Facts are not copyrightable by themselves. Compilations are, but compilation were not authored by players, but by someone else. I really hope they will lose. Also, paywall.
Re: Players to sue for hundreds of millions over use of their statistics
#3Paywalled. Couldn't (quickly) find a readable version in the usual archives.
Re: Players to sue for hundreds of millions over use of their statistics
#4IANAL. Statistics sound like a compilation of facts. Facts are not copyrightable by themselves. Compilations are, but compilation were not authored by players, but by someone else. I really hope they will lose. Also, paywall.
I don't have access to the article but they'll surely be suing on GDPR grounds, for unpermissioned use of personal data, not the copyright (which, I agree, they probably won't hold).
It's akin to an employer now tracking 24/7 whether you are sat at your home office desk (in my view: this shouldn't be allowed, with or without permission).
Re: Players to sue for hundreds of millions over use of their statistics
#5IANAL. Statistics sound like a compilation of facts. Facts are not copyrightable by themselves. Compilations are, but compilation were not authored by players, but by someone else. I really hope they will lose. Also, paywall.
I don't have access to the article but they'll surely be suing on GDPR grounds, for unpermissioned use of personal data, not the copyright (which, I agree, they probably won't hold). It's akin to an employer now tracking 24/7 whether you are sat at your home office desk (in my view: this shouldn't be allowed, with or without permission).
These are football players playing matches in public and the statistics are trivial I imagine, like how many passes they make and stuff like that, no? This seems like they just want free money and I hope they lose
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#6Article seems to be from 4 months ago and there doesn't seem to be much follow up in the mainstream press.
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#7I'm not a lawyer, and I'm especially not a British lawyer, but I do have an Athletic subscription. The article discusses a lawsuit on behalf of Primer League and mostly lower league soccer players in England around their "personal data."
> More than 400 current and former players have signed up to pursue gaming, betting and data-processing companies who utilise their personal statistics without consent or compensation.
As others have said, at least in the states, facts are not copyrightable. TA also states the lawsuit isn't going about this as part of image rights for the players, but doesn't say exactly what the argument will be. It makes it seem this is driven by lower league players who obviously don't have as lucrative careers.
Again IANAL but I don't see how if I go to a game and compile statistics myself how that's a breach of the players' data. Maybe if the club had a contact when I bought the ticket, but then I would think the players would need an agreement with the clubs to make that clear, because I'm not buying the ticket from the player I'm buying it from the club. Same with TV rights, that's league, club, and TV station rights, not player rights.
Re: Players to sue for hundreds of millions over use of their statistics
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have access to the article but they'll surely be suing on GDPR grounds, for unpermissioned use of personal data, not the copyright (which, I agree, they probably won't hold). It's akin to an employer now tracking 24/7 whether you are sat at your home office desk (in my view: this shouldn't be allowed, with or without permission).
These are football players playing matches in public and the statistics are trivial I imagine, like how many passes they make and stuff like that, no? This seems like they just want free money and I hope they lose
I agree I also hope they lose
Actually this sort of case could have quite far reaching implications. What other data would fall under similar protection? I can think of quite innocent use cases, like IMDB or other databases of who worked on artistic product like a book or game. If your name is in one, should you be paid? Where would this end?
Re: Players to sue for hundreds of millions over use of their statistics
#9Related, non-paywall
https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252487262/Footballers-to...
Re: Players to sue for hundreds of millions over use of their statistics
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have access to the article but they'll surely be suing on GDPR grounds, for unpermissioned use of personal data, not the copyright (which, I agree, they probably won't hold). It's akin to an employer now tracking 24/7 whether you are sat at your home office desk (in my view: this shouldn't be allowed, with or without permission).
These are football players playing matches in public and the statistics are trivial I imagine, like how many passes they make and stuff like that, no? This seems like they just want free money and I hope they lose
If it is statistics to a degree that can be used for hiring decisions or sold to competitors (or: for other people to make hundreds of millions from your work), is it trivial?