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Covid Took My Grandfather. But It Wasn’t What Killed Him

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“Our estimates imply that nationally implementing mandatory face masks for employees in public businesses on March 14th would have reduced the growth rate of cases and that of deaths by approximately 10 percentage points in late April. [...] We estimate that business shutdowns have roughly the same impact on growth rates as mask mandates, albeit with more uncertainty.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030440762...

Covid is incredibly contagious. If you blame a pandemic on the outgroup you are a child.

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> With more than 230,000 Americans dead from a virus that could have been contained

It could not have been "contained" in the United States. Half the (ineffectual) stuff we do now is unconstitutional. You cannot restrict religious or other forms of peaceable assembly under our constitution. We've observed quite a bit of that in the past few months. Moreover, 230K is 1/10th the projected number of deaths (2.2M). The "if we do everything almost perfectly" scenario according to Dr Deborah Birx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzl1E4x-k2w

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> With more than 230,000 Americans dead from a virus that could have been contained It could not have been "contained" in the United States. Half the (ineffectual) stuff we do now is unconstitutional. You cannot restrict religious or other forms of peaceable assembly under our constitution. We've observed quite a bit of that in the past few months. Moreover, 230K is 1/10th the projected number of deaths (2.2M). The "…

Hold on, the third surge is coming and your country doesn’t seem to be willing to take it seriously...

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> With more than 230,000 Americans dead from a virus that could have been contained It could not have been "contained" in the United States. Half the (ineffectual) stuff we do now is unconstitutional. You cannot restrict religious or other forms of peaceable assembly under our constitution. We've observed quite a bit of that in the past few months. Moreover, 230K is 1/10th the projected number of deaths (2.2M). The "…

This part of the US perspective on covid-19 I don't understand.

Everywhere I keep reading comments that suggest you pretty much deserved what you got and americans only have themselves to blame because 'if everyone just wore masks' it 'could have been contained'. Literally nothing suggests that, no other country in the world shows any statistics to back this up, and the situation is pretty much as bad as or worse in many parts of the world that did mandate masks and had lock-downs, while it is much better in other parts of the world that did none of these things. Europe is the prime example of this, there's so much variation in the measures that different countries took, but I literally see zero correlation with infection rates or deaths, not up until the point where countries go into lock-downs that dramatically limit the movement of people and the chance of getting in contact with 'strangers' that you would never get in contact with if you worked from home, did not go to bars or restaurants, did not use public transport, etc. But these measures are not sustainable long-term, so sooner or later they are relaxed and the infections start to go up again, with or without face masks, with or without people doing 'everything in their power to stop the virus' because they are traumatised by the first wave. Just look at Italy, one of the hardest hit countries in Europe in the first wave, and the place they are now in again. If anything, the countries that were the first to issue mask mandates and kept expanding them (Italy, France, Spain, Belgium) are now all at the bottom of the list in terms of covid infections and deaths in the second wave.

I'll probably get downvoted into oblivion by saying as much because it's already clear to me that in the US wearing face masks is more like a religion or a political statement, but alas... The main point I wanted to make is that blaming yourself and others for the situation you are in because it 'would have been easy to contain, if only...' is not backed up by any evidence, and IMO just a form of self-torture.

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> With more than 230,000 Americans dead from a virus that could have been contained It could not have been "contained" in the United States. Half the (ineffectual) stuff we do now is unconstitutional. You cannot restrict religious or other forms of peaceable assembly under our constitution. We've observed quite a bit of that in the past few months. Moreover, 230K is 1/10th the projected number of deaths (2.2M). The "…

This part of the US perspective on covid-19 I don't understand. Everywhere I keep reading comments that suggest you pretty much deserved what you got and americans only have themselves to blame because 'if everyone just wore masks' it 'could have been contained'. Literally nothing suggests that, no other country in the world shows any statistics to back this up, and the situation is pretty much as bad as or worse in…

> Literally nothing suggests that, no other country in the world has any statistics to back this up

New Zealand. Taiwan. Vietnam. South Korea.

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> With more than 230,000 Americans dead from a virus that could have been contained It could not have been "contained" in the United States. Half the (ineffectual) stuff we do now is unconstitutional. You cannot restrict religious or other forms of peaceable assembly under our constitution. We've observed quite a bit of that in the past few months. Moreover, 230K is 1/10th the projected number of deaths (2.2M). The "…

The 2.2 million number was the projected number (In March) of deaths with no mitigation taken. 200,000 is what Dr. Birx said then, in March.

We're in November now, and it's surging again. Less people are dying as we've learned how to best treat it, but the biggest risks are with overwhelming healthcare resources and that's exactly what is starting to happen as cases begin to surge, once again.

We could have done better as a country. It's hard to see how anyone could argue against that. Regardless of how you feel politically, the response in the US has been poorly coordinated at best.

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