If Not SPAs, What?

#1

Post by todsacerdoti » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

Re: If Not SPAs, What?

#2

Post by ng12 » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 10:10 PM UTC

If you can do server side great: do it. The difficulty is accurately predicting how much JavaScript you'll end up writing. If your client-side JavaScript is comparable in complexity to your SSR you'll eventually end up with the worst of both worlds.

Re: If Not SPAs, What?

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Post by jimbob45 » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 10:14 PM UTC

An actual app? I’d love for container-sandboxed native apps to make their “comeback”.

Re: If Not SPAs, What?

#4

Post by EGreg » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 10:24 PM UTC

I am going to advocate the other way:

https://qbix.com/blog/2020/01/02/the-case-for-building-clien...

Re: If Not SPAs, What?

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Post by randompwd » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 10:27 PM UTC

The fan on my thin laptop are nearly always on when browsing the web. Something that wasnt the case even 3 years ago.

Too much JS being executed on every page.

Re: If Not SPAs, What?

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Post by kqvamxurcagg » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 10:30 PM UTC

Having mostly used Angular and React with APIs, I recently wrote a small app with server-side templating and a very small amount of jquery. It was an absolute joy. Especially with webpack it feels like the front-end has become needlessly complex and I'm not sure it has improved quality for users.

Re: If Not SPAs, What?

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Post by k__ » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 10:30 PM UTC

Isn't Next.js (and in turn React, on which Next is built) the answer to that question?

It can do client side rendering, server side rendering, and static site genration.

Re: If Not SPAs, What?

#8

Post by xiaomai » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 10:30 PM UTC

I think Phoenix Live View is maybe the most compelling story around this (https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix_live_view). I'm moving a side-project from React/SPA to Phoenix live view and it's kind of amazing to get the dev ergonomics of a server-rendered page with the UX benefits of a SPA.

This course is a pretty great intro: https://pragmaticstudio.com/phoenix-liveview

Re: If Not SPAs, What?

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 10:31 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #4

I am going to advocate the other way: https://qbix.com/blog/2020/01/02/the-case-for-building-clien...

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Re: If Not SPAs, What?

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Post by basch » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 10:35 PM UTC

xiaomai wrote: post #8

I think Phoenix Live View is maybe the most compelling story around this ( https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix_live_view ). I'm moving a side-project from React/SPA to Phoenix live view and it's kind of amazing to get the dev ergonomics of a server-rendered page with the UX benefits of a SPA. This course is a pretty great intro: https://pragmaticstudio.com/phoenix-liveview

as a user, this is the kind of experience I want on the web. any spa like page should always degrade back to web standards. and it should be lightening fast. and not spin my cpu fan or warm my desk.