The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?
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The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?
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Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?
#2Better to say both X11, and Wayland are now two pieces of abandonware.
Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?
#3Better to say both X11, and Wayland are now two pieces of abandonware.
> This should hardly be surprising but a prominent Intel open-source developer has conceded that the X.Org Server is pretty much "abandonware" with Wayland being the future.
Why do you say Wayland is abandonware? The last activity in the repo is from a week ago https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland
Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?
#4Better to say both X11, and Wayland are now two pieces of abandonware.
So what do my Linux machines run desktop sessions on?
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#5Yes, I agree. X11 is a historic artifact that is supposed to be honored in the museum now.
The C/S architecture of X11 hits the spot when terminals and thin client are the norm, that means 20-30 years ago, but today, we all have dedicated graphics display devices (GPU, monitors) even in our pocket smartphone, and the way X11 works is holding Linux desktop scene back.
But without X11 there you can't show how much improvement Wayland has. We shall not forget X11.
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#7Today I've updated to the newest Kubuntu release 20.10 and considered switching to Wayland, but then abandoned the idea when I found out that middle click copy paste is only implemented in Plasma 5.20, and I only have Plasma 5.19. I've seen they've fixed the screenshot program though (which I remember to have been an issue on older versions).
I'm looking forward to 21.04 for my next attempt to switch, maybe by then Firefox's native wayland support will have progressed as well. After all what's the point of Wayland when most of your software uses xwayland :).
Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?
#8Better to say both X11, and Wayland are now two pieces of abandonware.
What's the alternative then?
Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?
#9Better to say both X11, and Wayland are now two pieces of abandonware.
I fear you are right. While there might be commits in the Wayland repos, featurewise progress has ceased. Waylands broken architecture has made progress hard to impossible. Porting of popular window managers is extremely slow since there is just no thought given to X compatibility. Input handling by each application on its own is insane and broken. Feature-consistency across compositors on things like screenshots is a pipe-dream. A promised easy ssh -X replacement doesn't work right after a decade.
Waylands broken architecture makes progress slow through unnecessary duplication, incompatibility and the lack of a smooth migration for many software packages (usually it's rewrite-time). Wayland should be abandoned and the design redone.
Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?
#10Today I've updated to the newest Kubuntu release 20.10 and considered switching to Wayland, but then abandoned the idea when I found out that middle click copy paste is only implemented in Plasma 5.20, and I only have Plasma 5.19. I've seen they've fixed the screenshot program though (which I remember to have been an issue on older versions). I'm looking forward to 21.04 for my next attempt to switch, maybe by then F…
Funnily enough earlier today I checked the status of Wayland on my setup- Arch - with KDE and my main issue is still mouse gestures. Currently using easystroke, which is itself an abandonware, but until I find something that works under Wayland I can't change yet nomatter the quality of DEs etc.