Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Post by vrfinal » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 12:35 AM UTC

Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive
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Post by annadane » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 1:12 AM UTC

Of course it is. And so is their purchase of Instagram, Whatsapp, Giphy, and the entire way they've cornered the market with abusive and coercive practices

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Post by rektide » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 1:17 AM UTC

agreed. captive computing platforms are captivating.

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Post by graeme » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 1:17 AM UTC

> conditioning access to a product or service in which a firm has market power to the use of a separate product or service is anticompetitive

Is the house committee arguing Facebook is a monopoly in....VR? From the stats I found Oculus has a 20-30% share.

I don’t like the Facebook requirement for Oculus, but not everything I don’t lime constitutes a monopoly.

Other have commented that the house assumes what it sets out to prove. You’d first have to show market power to make this kind of analysis.

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Post by rektide » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 1:19 AM UTC

annadane wrote: post #2

Of course it is. And so is their purchase of Instagram, Whatsapp, Giphy, and the entire way they've cornered the market with abusive and coercive practices

I'm way less concerned about those software platforms being with Facebook. there's plenty of room for competition. gdpr grants decent citizens rights to take their data away.

there is zero escape from this nightmare platform however. hardware we end up forever hard locked into.

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Post by shajznnckfke » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 1:20 AM UTC

The Xbox requires that you have a Microsoft account, right? This seems like an inconvenience but I have a hard time understanding why it’s worth Congress’s time. Isn’t the world full of products that have to be registered by making an account in some system or another?

I guess I could understand if somebody didn’t have internet access and wants to use Oculus, but they wouldn’t be able to download any games either even if no account was required. The complaint seems like more of an ideological thing against Facebook, but I’m attempting to take it at face value.

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Post by augstein » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 1:22 AM UTC

graeme wrote: post #4

> conditioning access to a product or service in which a firm has market power to the use of a separate product or service is anticompetitive Is the house committee arguing Facebook is a monopoly in....VR? From the stats I found Oculus has a 20-30% share. I don’t like the Facebook requirement for Oculus, but not everything I don’t lime constitutes a monopoly. Other have commented that the house assumes what it sets o…

Which standalone VR headset would you recommend, if one can‘t use a Facebook login?

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Post by rektide » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 1:22 AM UTC

rektide wrote: post #5

annadane wrote: post #2

Of course it is. And so is their purchase of Instagram, Whatsapp, Giphy, and the entire way they've cornered the market with abusive and coercive practices

I'm way less concerned about those software platforms being with Facebook. there's plenty of room for competition. gdpr grants decent citizens rights to take their data away. there is zero escape from this nightmare platform however. hardware we end up forever hard locked into.

one place I am not sure how I feel is game consoles. microsoft & sony both require accounts to use the mandatory platforms their consoles come with. is this ok? how us this different from Facebook demanding users use the Facebook platform with the Facebook face console?

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Post by ebg13 » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 1:23 AM UTC

graeme wrote: post #4

> conditioning access to a product or service in which a firm has market power to the use of a separate product or service is anticompetitive Is the house committee arguing Facebook is a monopoly in....VR? From the stats I found Oculus has a 20-30% share. I don’t like the Facebook requirement for Oculus, but not everything I don’t lime constitutes a monopoly. Other have commented that the house assumes what it sets o…

> Is the house committee arguing Facebook is a monopoly

I believe the phrase right there in the quote you made is "Market power". Being a monopoly is not a requirement for antitrust violations.

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Post by annadane » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 1:24 AM UTC

rektide wrote: post #5

annadane wrote: post #2

Of course it is. And so is their purchase of Instagram, Whatsapp, Giphy, and the entire way they've cornered the market with abusive and coercive practices

I'm way less concerned about those software platforms being with Facebook. there's plenty of room for competition. gdpr grants decent citizens rights to take their data away. there is zero escape from this nightmare platform however. hardware we end up forever hard locked into.

GDPR might but if such a thing didn't exist Facebook absolutely would dominate the world, which is exactly what they want, sick fucks