Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
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Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
#2Alright, so Apple are forcing all developers to add Sign-in with Apple (if they have other third-party login services), privacy benefits aside.
But if you Apple decide that they don't like you anymore, they'll not only cut you off the App Store, they'll also bury all (or a subset of) your users.
Apple is starting to act more and more like a bully.
[1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sig...
Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
#3I really hope this will damage Apple’s brand and platform... They enforce their TOS randomly and this will happen to smaller companies too.
Hurts the consumer too. People will be locked out of their Epic accounts.
Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
#4Alright, so Apple are forcing all developers to add Sign-in with Apple (if they have other third-party login services), privacy benefits aside. But if you Apple decide that they don't like you anymore, they'll not only cut you off the App Store, they'll also bury all (or a subset of) your users. Apple is starting to act more and more like a bully. [1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sig...
Intentionally breaking the rules and filing a lawsuit against them with a marketing campaign isn't as if apple just decided they "didn't like" Epic.
Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
#5Just installed Linux on my Mac; it felt like freedom.
Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
#6This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality:
Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone.
Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect.
And the EU will levy the world's biggest fine at Apple, I predict north of $5 billion if not $10 billion for abusing their status with this being a notable case.
Certainly, for public opinion, it means you now have to "tow the line", no protesting allowed. If you dare challenge us, we WILL REMOVE YOU.
Horrible company.
Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
#7Alright, so Apple are forcing all developers to add Sign-in with Apple (if they have other third-party login services), privacy benefits aside. But if you Apple decide that they don't like you anymore, they'll not only cut you off the App Store, they'll also bury all (or a subset of) your users. Apple is starting to act more and more like a bully. [1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sig...
Intentionally breaking the rules and filing a lawsuit against them with a marketing campaign isn't as if apple just decided they "didn't like" Epic.
But my identity is my identity. Unless my account is compromised, dont stop ME, the customer, from using MY identity. Right now the major identity providers are all black holes of support, if something goes wrong, you have no recourse to get yourself back.
I'd be more ok with Apple not allowing new accounts, but existing accounts should not be removed from people without them agreeing to a transition process to a non sso, local epic account.
Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
#8This should, at worst, only affect users who hide their email address from Epic and use the Apple relay service. Users who share their email address with Epic would be able to simply continue using it, with a reset password if necessary.
Apple also has the option to continue allowing Epic to deliver password reset emails to private relay email addresses, using their pre-11th DKIM/SPF settings, so that users can continue to reset their account passwords by email and login and change their email address.
Cynically, I assume that if Apple does continue relaying password resets, Epic would change their systems in some way that intentionally breaks that somehow, in order to create further public pressure on Apple.
Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
#9Just installed Linux on my Mac; it felt like freedom.
How is power management? Which distro did you go with?
Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
#10Alright, so Apple are forcing all developers to add Sign-in with Apple (if they have other third-party login services), privacy benefits aside. But if you Apple decide that they don't like you anymore, they'll not only cut you off the App Store, they'll also bury all (or a subset of) your users. Apple is starting to act more and more like a bully. [1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sig...
Intentionally breaking the rules and filing a lawsuit against them with a marketing campaign isn't as if apple just decided they "didn't like" Epic.
No company should be immune to valid criticism. Microsoft was forced to add a browser pop-up on their OS, because it was considered they were abusing their market position.
Of course, retaliation is expected, but Apple has been so inconsistent in their application of the rules that every decision they've ever made is going to be called into question.
And you can be sure if there is even a hint at favouritism or revelations they've given certain partners special deals (that perhaps Epic wasn't allowed but Amazon was), then they are well and truly fucked.
The EU is not going to mess around. They are going to question every single decision Apple has made, and will make a substantial report into their conduct especially the effects on EU business and the economy. If the EU announces they are investigating you, you should be very, very afraid, they do NOT mess around and will absolutely be at the least issuing a rather substantial financial penalty and changes you will be forced to make within the business (and the OS).
Just look at what they've done to Google in the past few years, this is going to be no different.
I expect huge changes are coming for Apple in 2021 and I think we'll all be better off for it.
So sure, take the actions/steps you want, but be prepared to really defend them, and hope you actually have a case that is applied equally and fairly to all.