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Alarm as FDA willing to issue Covid-19 vaccine before stringent safety testing

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Re: Alarm as FDA willing to issue Covid-19 vaccine before stringent safety testing

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This is why people are uncomfortable with mandatory vaccination orders. I’m pro vaccine and in general well tested vaccines are very important for eradicating some pretty awful diseases. I have all of mine and I’m thankful my parents were sane and paid attention to science.

Safe modern medicine involves care and testing, that’s the whole point of organizations like the FDA. If we just carelessly push stuff like this through we can end up with some pretty nasty stuff.

Re: Alarm as FDA willing to issue Covid-19 vaccine before stringent safety testing

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Well, it's being done for all the wrong reasons, but I'd gladly take a relaxing of safety measures to be done with COVID, depending on the vaccine and the risks.

The relatively known risks of some types of a vaccine seem a lot better than the unknown ones of COVID.

I would want to wait for full phase III before we had a mandatory vaccine, relied on this fully, or otherwise did too much with it. But we can't ramp up production that quickly regardless. A pilot with a few million volunteers seems as good as any phase III. And with the right few million, it could potentially really curb spread.

Re: Alarm as FDA willing to issue Covid-19 vaccine before stringent safety testing

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Mods, can we replace the linked page here with a link to the guardian? The page here is just two paragraphs of no-content and a link to the guardian. This is its link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/30/fda-covid-19-v...

Re: Alarm as FDA willing to issue Covid-19 vaccine before stringent safety testing

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post #3

Well, it's being done for all the wrong reasons, but I'd gladly take a relaxing of safety measures to be done with COVID, depending on the vaccine and the risks. The relatively known risks of some types of a vaccine seem a lot better than the unknown ones of COVID. I would want to wait for full phase III before we had a mandatory vaccine, relied on this fully, or otherwise did too much with it. But we can't ramp up p…

Really? The risks of COVID are pretty well known at this point, and for the vast majority of people they seem quite low.

Re: Alarm as FDA willing to issue Covid-19 vaccine before stringent safety testing

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post #2

This is why people are uncomfortable with mandatory vaccination orders. I’m pro vaccine and in general well tested vaccines are very important for eradicating some pretty awful diseases. I have all of mine and I’m thankful my parents were sane and paid attention to science. Safe modern medicine involves care and testing, that’s the whole point of organizations like the FDA. If we just carelessly push stuff like this…

This might be one reason they are uncomfortable with mandatory vaccination orders, but there's also the fact that the government is putting a gun to your head and saying, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Now I'm going to stick this needle in you. Don't resist and nobody will get hurt."

Re: Alarm as FDA willing to issue Covid-19 vaccine before stringent safety testing

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post #3

Well, it's being done for all the wrong reasons, but I'd gladly take a relaxing of safety measures to be done with COVID, depending on the vaccine and the risks. The relatively known risks of some types of a vaccine seem a lot better than the unknown ones of COVID. I would want to wait for full phase III before we had a mandatory vaccine, relied on this fully, or otherwise did too much with it. But we can't ramp up p…

Without the time to properly test the vaccine, you're as much in the unknown as with COVID-19. Maybe even more. This is really high risk that can backfire a lot. If the vaccine is ineffective, or worse, cause health issues, how would you convince a population (with already a portion being anti-vaccine) to get vaccinated to the point it requires to stop the spread once a good vaccine is available? Taking this risk for a political campaign is insane...

Re: Alarm as FDA willing to issue Covid-19 vaccine before stringent safety testing

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post #3

Well, it's being done for all the wrong reasons, but I'd gladly take a relaxing of safety measures to be done with COVID, depending on the vaccine and the risks. The relatively known risks of some types of a vaccine seem a lot better than the unknown ones of COVID. I would want to wait for full phase III before we had a mandatory vaccine, relied on this fully, or otherwise did too much with it. But we can't ramp up p…

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Re: Alarm as FDA willing to issue Covid-19 vaccine before stringent safety testing

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This is why people are uncomfortable with mandatory vaccination orders. I’m pro vaccine and in general well tested vaccines are very important for eradicating some pretty awful diseases. I have all of mine and I’m thankful my parents were sane and paid attention to science. Safe modern medicine involves care and testing, that’s the whole point of organizations like the FDA. If we just carelessly push stuff like this…

This might be one reason they are uncomfortable with mandatory vaccination orders, but there's also the fact that the government is putting a gun to your head and saying, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Now I'm going to stick this needle in you. Don't resist and nobody will get hurt."

It's also a violation of the UN "right to be free from non-consensual medical treatment" (https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Publications/Factsheet31.pdf)
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