‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, is junk science
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‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, is junk science
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Re: ‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, is junk science
#2I hope that the people who want to stop police from using this as a defense are also willing to stop murderers from using it when they are begging to not get life without parole.
Re: ‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, is junk science
#3I hope that the people who want to stop police from using this as a defense are also willing to stop murderers from using it when they are begging to not get life without parole.
Maybe, maybe not, but surely we can recognize the difference between trained, sworn, gov't-empowered law enforcement professionals and murderers, right?
Re: ‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, is junk science
#4I hope that the people who want to stop police from using this as a defense are also willing to stop murderers from using it when they are begging to not get life without parole.
What are you even talking about?
Re: ‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, is junk science
#5Excited delirium is a very well-known and documented phenomenon, primarily in individuals that are on excessive doses of stimulants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium#Cause
However, nothing about its existence implies anything about police brutality. For some reason the article thinks it needs to deny the existence of something that obviously exists in order to argue against police brutality. This is a strange logical fallacy to commit, because you can easily argue brutality is bad regardless of what substances an individual is on.
Responding to child comments, it's possible that this condition is not unique enough to require its own name and label. But in that case, one can simply refer to the effects of doses of the given stimulants themselves, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine#Adverse_effect....
Please note I'm not making any claim that brutality is okay or ever justified, just that there obviously does exist strong psychological and physical conditions that occur when an individual is on doses of very strong stimulants.
Re: ‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, is junk science
#6I hope that the people who want to stop police from using this as a defense are also willing to stop murderers from using it when they are begging to not get life without parole.
Maybe, maybe not, but surely we can recognize the difference between trained, sworn, gov't-empowered law enforcement professionals and murderers, right?
> but surely we can recognize the difference between trained, sworn, gov't-empowered law enforcement professionals and murderers, right?
Those are overlapping sets.
Re: ‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, is junk science
#7Excited delirium is a very well-known and documented phenomenon, primarily in individuals that are on excessive doses of stimulants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium#Cause However, nothing about its existence implies anything about police brutality. For some reason the article thinks it needs to deny the existence of something that obviously exists in order to argue against police brutality. This is a s…
From the Wikipedia article you linked: "The condition is not recognized by the American Psychiatric Association, American Medical Association or the World Health Organization." It's under the section titled "Controversy_related_to_policing_techniques".[1]
Just because something is well-known and documented doesn't mean it's recognized as a medical or psychological condition. Sometimes it can be that medicine hasn't caught up, and sometimes it's BS.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium#Controversy_r...
Re: ‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, is junk science
#8Excited delirium is a very well-known and documented phenomenon, primarily in individuals that are on excessive doses of stimulants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium#Cause However, nothing about its existence implies anything about police brutality. For some reason the article thinks it needs to deny the existence of something that obviously exists in order to argue against police brutality. This is a s…
From your own link:
> The condition is not recognized by the American Psychiatric Association, American Medical Association or the World Health Organization. Critics of excited delirium have stated that the condition is often attributed to deaths while in the custody of law enforcement and is disproportionately applied to black and Hispanic victims.
This doesn't mean that it still isn't a thing. There are plenty of very real conditions that aren't yet officially recognized but when you have the current body of experts explicitly denying its existence your burden of proof is a lot higher.
Re: ‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, is junk science
#9I hope that the people who want to stop police from using this as a defense are also willing to stop murderers from using it when they are begging to not get life without parole.
What are you even talking about?
Please don't break the site guidelines yourself, even when replying to comment that is bad or you feel is bad. That only makes the thread even worse.
Re: ‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, is junk science
#10Excited delirium is a very well-known and documented phenomenon, primarily in individuals that are on excessive doses of stimulants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium#Cause However, nothing about its existence implies anything about police brutality. For some reason the article thinks it needs to deny the existence of something that obviously exists in order to argue against police brutality. This is a s…
From the Wikipedia article you linked: "The condition is not recognized by the American Psychiatric Association, American Medical Association or the World Health Organization." It's under the section titled "Controversy_related_to_policing_techniques".[1] Just because something is well-known and documented doesn't mean it's recognized as a medical or psychological condition. Sometimes it can be that medicine hasn't c…
Yes, it is controversial for being used as a justification for police brutality and having been involved in a lot of bad incidents. But the existence of it is not controversial, as it is basically a subset of affects of substances such as methamphetamine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine#Adverse_effect.... Does it need its own specific name and label? perhaps not, and that is part of why some organizations have not officially recognized it