Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
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Re: Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
#2At what point are more people killing themselves than are getting saved by quarantine orders? No one is seriously making this calculation.
Re: Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
#3At what point are more people killing themselves than are getting saved by quarantine orders? No one is seriously making this calculation.
> At what point are more people killing themselves than are getting saved by quarantine orders? No one is seriously making this calculation.
>> Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus.
Looks like some people are, and it made the news.
Re: Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
#4Isolation paradox: Isolating will help you be less susceptible to illness. Isolation is known to cause higher levels of loneliness, depression, fear, anxiety and weaker immune system increasing susceptibility to illness.
Re: Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
#5At what point are more people killing themselves than are getting saved by quarantine orders? No one is seriously making this calculation.
> At what point are more people killing themselves than are getting saved by quarantine orders? No one is seriously making this calculation. >> Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus. Looks like some people are, and it made the news.
No one in the CDC or state health departments seem to be taking this into account. They're only optimizing for one variable: number of infected and number of covid19 deaths.
Re: Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
#6Isolation paradox: Isolating will help you be less susceptible to illness. Isolation is known to cause higher levels of loneliness, depression, fear, anxiety and weaker immune system increasing susceptibility to illness.
It's not really a paradox because it's understood. Isolation signals to your body that you are being excluded from your tribe or low on the social ladder, which means your world is now more threatening than it used to be, so you need to use more energy to be hyper-vigilant and responsive to stressors.
Re: Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
> At what point are more people killing themselves than are getting saved by quarantine orders? No one is seriously making this calculation. >> Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus. Looks like some people are, and it made the news.
No one in the CDC or state health departments seem to be taking this into account. They're only optimizing for one variable: number of infected and number of covid19 deaths.
You say that as if we've known this since January or something... and as if you have inside knowledge of what those people are investigating right now. Do you? The news on this has just come out. Maybe give them a chance to react before judging?
Re: Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
#8At what point are more people killing themselves than are getting saved by quarantine orders? No one is seriously making this calculation.
It's going to be impossible to track, but surely the financial ruin the governments have compelled people to endure is going to kill many, many thousands of people.
It's also not politically advantageous to even consider it, let alone talk about it. In a year, when nobody cares anymore, and people are killing themselves, it will never come back to haunt the policy makers that provoked it all.
Re: Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
#9>"We all share a concern for the health of our community whether that is COVID-19, mental health, intentional violence or other issues. We continue to actively work with our Behavioral Health Center, County Health and community organizations to increase awareness of mental health issues and provide resources to anyone in need. If you are in a crisis and need help immediately, please call 211 or 800-833-2900 or text 'HOPE' to 20121 now. We are all in this together, and ask the community to please reach out to anyone who you think might be in need during this challenging time. Thank you."
Translation: we will do nothing to help you after isolating you from your support networks. Call us when you want to kill yourself.
Re: Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one in the CDC or state health departments seem to be taking this into account. They're only optimizing for one variable: number of infected and number of covid19 deaths.
You say that as if we've known this since January or something... and as if you have inside knowledge of what those people are investigating right now. Do you? The news on this has just come out. Maybe give them a chance to react before judging?
>You say that as if we've known this since January or something
Yes, who could have possibly known about covid19 in January? [0]
>and as if you have inside knowledge of what those people are investigating right now. Do you? The news on this has just come out. Maybe give them a chance to react before judging?
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that forcing people to stay at home, to socially distance themselves from their social support network, and to quit earning a living would have a significant impact on their mental health and a dangerous impact on the mental health of those with mood disorders. Every doctor has been educated on mental illnesses. The CDC had chances to make the right choices in January. It had chances to make the right choices in February. It had chances to make the right choices in March. How long until you think we can judge the CDC?
[0] (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-testin...)