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Wolfram Alpha doesn't "get it"
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Wolfram Alpha doesn't "get it"
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Re: Wolfram Alpha doesn't "get it"
#2Please submit full URLs only. We like to know where we are going.
Re: Wolfram Alpha doesn't "get it"
#3He says they are "totally within their rights", but he is wrong. He's making links to their web pages. They are not "totally within their rights" to try to forbid that.
Re: Wolfram Alpha doesn't "get it"
#4He says they are "totally within their rights", but he is wrong. He's making links to their web pages. They are not "totally within their rights" to try to forbid that.
Not being combative, just genuinely curious, but how is this not legal? If it's part of their ToS it seems like it would be enforcable.
Re: Wolfram Alpha doesn't "get it"
#5He says they are "totally within their rights", but he is wrong. He's making links to their web pages. They are not "totally within their rights" to try to forbid that.
Not being combative, just genuinely curious, but how is this not legal? If it's part of their ToS it seems like it would be enforcable.
You can put "Users may not breathe while using this website" in your ToS but that doesn't make it enforceable. A ToS has to have some basis in law.
Re: Wolfram Alpha doesn't "get it"
#6Please submit full URLs only. We like to know where we are going.
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Re: Wolfram Alpha doesn't "get it"
#7He says they are "totally within their rights", but he is wrong. He's making links to their web pages. They are not "totally within their rights" to try to forbid that.
Are you sure of that? If so, you posses more certainty than most judiciaries/legislatures. It's a vexed and fraught issue.
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Re: Wolfram Alpha doesn't "get it"
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not being combative, just genuinely curious, but how is this not legal? If it's part of their ToS it seems like it would be enforcable.
You can put "Users may not breathe while using this website" in your ToS but that doesn't make it enforceable. A ToS has to have some basis in law.
Ok... again, not trying to be combative but:
a) This still doesn't really answer my question.
b) Would it be illegal to put up a website and say that essentially no one can use it? Aside from some exceptions like discrimination, ToS's define how you can use a tool, which is exactly what they were doing. Is there some law stating that if you host a website, you must allow users to link to it in any way they like?
Re: Wolfram Alpha doesn't "get it"
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can put "Users may not breathe while using this website" in your ToS but that doesn't make it enforceable. A ToS has to have some basis in law.
Ok... again, not trying to be combative but: a) This still doesn't really answer my question. b) Would it be illegal to put up a website and say that essentially no one can use it? Aside from some exceptions like discrimination, ToS's define how you can use a tool, which is exactly what they were doing. Is there some law stating that if you host a website, you must allow users to link to it in any way they like?
>Is there some law stating that if you host a website, you must allow users to link to it in any way they like?
None that I know of specifically - however putting a website up is an implicit contract allowing normal web usage (for credits: now define normal and enforce that contract).
Re: Wolfram Alpha doesn't "get it"
#10He says they are "totally within their rights", but he is wrong. He's making links to their web pages. They are not "totally within their rights" to try to forbid that.
As I read this, he's not making links to their web pages. He's deep linking to their content and displaying it within what appears to be a custom browser. While there is plenty of debate about the propriety of deep linking and whether sites have the right to bar deep linking, displaying content within a custom browser is analogous to 'framing' content without permission, and framing content a no-no.
Creating deep links to their content would be launching Mobile Safari with their content in it.
Now, it could be that after he talks to them and they have a look at his app, they decide that yes, he's framing their content but he does so in a manner they feel is in their best interests and is compatible with their business model as they see it. In which case, they will give him written permission to do so.