Why does Germany have such a low number of serious/critical covid patients? The last number I saw was 23 which is nuts compared to a country such as Spain with a similar case count. Water, beer, schnitzel? What’s the magic there?
Covid Germany Anomaly, Why?
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#2From what I understand, countries like Germany are only reporting deaths with no co-morbidity, whereas Italy anyone that was positive with Covid19 in their system and dies is being reported as a death.
The lack of standardized reporting is odd considering the impacts. It definitely seems to be contributing to the general confusion on decision making.
Re: Covid Germany Anomaly, Why?
#3From what I understand, countries like Germany are only reporting deaths with no co-morbidity, whereas Italy anyone that was positive with Covid19 in their system and dies is being reported as a death. The lack of standardized reporting is odd considering the impacts. It definitely seems to be contributing to the general confusion on decision making.
So the Italian numbers are inflated (do we know how much?) and the Germany numbers are more accurate?
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Re: Covid Germany Anomaly, Why?
#5From what I understand, countries like Germany are only reporting deaths with no co-morbidity, whereas Italy anyone that was positive with Covid19 in their system and dies is being reported as a death. The lack of standardized reporting is odd considering the impacts. It definitely seems to be contributing to the general confusion on decision making.
So the Italian numbers are inflated (do we know how much?) and the Germany numbers are more accurate?
Hard to say, but the issue (the one OP talked about) is BEFORE counting deaths.
Right now the same source (for Germany):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
Has 23 "Serious or critical" people out of 41,324 cases (and the remaining 41,301 are in "Mild condition").
In Italy:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
3,612 critical out of 62,013 total (6%).
In Spain:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/
3,166 critical out of 46,406 total (7%).
In France (seemingly much worse than Italy or Spain):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
3,375 critical out of 22,511 total (15%).
Now France's anomaly (compared to Italy and Spain) could be an undercounting (by 2x) of total cases, but the anomaly in Germany could only be explained if the actual number of cases in Spain and Italy are undercounted by 100x!
There must be something else.
Re: Covid Germany Anomaly, Why?
#6From what I understand, countries like Germany are only reporting deaths with no co-morbidity, whereas Italy anyone that was positive with Covid19 in their system and dies is being reported as a death. The lack of standardized reporting is odd considering the impacts. It definitely seems to be contributing to the general confusion on decision making.
So the Italian numbers are inflated (do we know how much?) and the Germany numbers are more accurate?
I am not so sure I would say that.
If Germany is not reporting a death if a person has high blood pressure, then I think theirs are under. The death rate from numbers I had seen were like 10x more fatal if you have some other issue.
IMHO Italy is more accurate, because it could be said that the deaths would not have occurred, yet, without Covid.
Other explanation, per an email from a German relative: Germany is probably the only country in the EU where following the WHO recommendation of 1m distancing will bring people closer together'
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the Italian numbers are inflated (do we know how much?) and the Germany numbers are more accurate?
I am not so sure I would say that. If Germany is not reporting a death if a person has high blood pressure, then I think theirs are under. The death rate from numbers I had seen were like 10x more fatal if you have some other issue. IMHO Italy is more accurate, because it could be said that the deaths would not have occurred, yet, without Covid. Other explanation, per an email from a German relative: Germany is proba…
FWIW, media reports of deaths in Germany quite often reported that the deceased had other illnesses too, so I'm skeptical of all the blanket claims that Germany isn't reporting deaths that have other causes too.
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#8German resident (md) here. The ‘official’ explanation is that Germany did lot of testing early in the course of the epidemic. We have many cases in the healthy population resulting in less severe symptoms. The older population is still not so much affected. A significant rise in death-counts is expected in the next two weeks. Hospitals are planing for the worst.
Stay safe!
Re: Covid Germany Anomaly, Why?
#9German resident (md) here. The ‘official’ explanation is that Germany did lot of testing early in the course of the epidemic. We have many cases in the healthy population resulting in less severe symptoms. The older population is still not so much affected. A significant rise in death-counts is expected in the next two weeks. Hospitals are planing for the worst. Stay safe!
I keep seeing that "next couple of weeks" phenomenon. At what point can we be assured that we crossed those ever-critical couple of weeks? It keeps pushing out.
I am thinking that Corona is killing the same people who would have died from regular flu for the most part, i.e. it's not in addition to normal deaths. I understand that this is a minority opinion, but data may bear it out eventually.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the Italian numbers are inflated (do we know how much?) and the Germany numbers are more accurate?
Hard to say, but the issue (the one OP talked about) is BEFORE counting deaths. Right now the same source (for Germany): https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/ Has 23 "Serious or critical" people out of 41,324 cases (and the remaining 41,301 are in "Mild condition"). In Italy: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ 3,612 critical out of 62,013 total (6%). In Spain: https://www.wo…
No, you have arrived at the answer.
The counts are wrong by orders of magnitude.
Now follow through with what that means.