Covid-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin
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Covid-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin
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#2Any comments on the following? Serious? useful? Garbage?
https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-natur...
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#4Any comments on the following? Serious? useful? Garbage? https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-natur...
I read your link after reading the source article and most of these were my thoughts as well.
Regardless of what the truth is, this study takes a lot of handwavy assumptions and presents them as fact.
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#5“ we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes”
All that means is that they didn’t use a gene editor.
In all likelihood, they were experimenting with something in animals in a lab and it accidentally got released.
If you were trying to research transmissibility, then this is probably the most likely scenario.
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Re: Covid-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin
#6“ we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes” All that means is that they didn’t use a gene editor. In all likelihood, they were experimenting with something in animals in a lab and it accidentally got released. If you were trying to research transmissibility, then this is probably the most likely scenario. ===== EDIT - if you downvoted me, please explain why. I ascribe no malice in…
How many animals would it take to get the exact kind of mutation needed to make something like the coronavirus? It feels like you’d need thousands in a lab, right?
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#7Any comments on the following? Serious? useful? Garbage? https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-natur...
That is serious and useful, unlike the groundless claim of natural origin. The lab in Wuhan has been publishing coronavirus research for many years. In some of the research, they cause bat viruses to replicate in human cells by using the ACE2 receptor... exactly as this pandemic does.
Here is China making a virus like this one, even acting on the ACE2 receptor and testing it in human cells, publishing it in early 2008:
https://jvi.asm.org/content/82/4/1899
Here they are again, years later, still playing with extremely hazardous coronaviruses that act on the ACE2 receptor in humans:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12711
When an outbreak of exactly that type of virus happens right next to the lab, the only reasonable assumption is that it came from the lab. If there were a sudden outbreak of smallpox next to the CDC lab in Atlanta, we wouldn't just shrug it off as a natural occurrence. The same applies here.
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#8As far as conspiracy theories go, lab-made coronavirus is one of the more interesting and plausible ones.
I still have to reject it. Reasons:
1. If the Chinese national leadership had designed it as a bioweapon, they would also have foreknowledge of its characteristics. Once it was clear it was a new coronavirus in late December/early January, they would have just shut things down instead of waiting three more weeks.
2. No nation has attempted to weaponize a coronavirus before, because it makes a terribly non-specific bioweapon. It will almost inevitably come and cripple your economy if you ever did use it on someone else. And it is also very dangerous if one of your labs releases it accidentally.
Re: Covid-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin
#9As far as conspiracy theories go, lab-made coronavirus is one of the more interesting and plausible ones. I still have to reject it. Reasons: 1. If the Chinese national leadership had designed it as a bioweapon, they would also have foreknowledge of its characteristics. Once it was clear it was a new coronavirus in late December/early January, they would have just shut things down instead of waiting three more weeks.…
Those are arguments against "designed as a bioweapon" and "intentional release by government". They are not arguments against "created in a lab", "lab containment accident", or "intentional release by crazy employee".
We know for a fact, based on research published in Nature and in Journal of Virology, that the lab in Wuhan was modifying bat coronaviruses to replicate well in human cells. Some of these modified viruses were changed to use the ACE2 receptor found in humans, just as the pandemic virus uses.
Re: Covid-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin
#10Any comments on the following? Serious? useful? Garbage? https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-natur...
That is serious and useful, unlike the groundless claim of natural origin. The lab in Wuhan has been publishing coronavirus research for many years. In some of the research, they cause bat viruses to replicate in human cells by using the ACE2 receptor... exactly as this pandemic does. Here is China making a virus like this one, even acting on the ACE2 receptor and testing it in human cells, publishing it in early 200…
They sure figured out which local bat store was the cause too.