DebConf20: offer to speak in Palestine censored
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DebConf20: offer to speak in Palestine censored
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#2> Can you see any way in which this message could be considered anti-semitic?
I accept the message can be disturbing to some (not to me) but I believe it is not anti-semitic.
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#3He removed a bad-faith message that needlessly brought up political issues. Good for him. One of the reasons I avoid many of these communities is the hateful, bad-faith political posturing. (One of my 4 grandparents was born in Gaza City, and expelled in 1929 [1], so I believe I have a right to an opinion on this.)
You wonder if there would have been a problem if he had said simply, free of political prodding, "I plan to give the same talk again in Ramallah. Is anyone interested in attending?"
[1] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-of-jewish-settl...
Edit: So Hacker News are downvoting an actual descendant of a Gazan refugee for having a polite opinion on this? That's insane.
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#4So called "hate speech" is actually about censoring speech that "they" "hate". Free speech or death.
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#5He removed a bad-faith message that needlessly brought up political issues. Good for him. One of the reasons I avoid many of these communities is the hateful, bad-faith political posturing. (One of my 4 grandparents was born in Gaza City, and expelled in 1929 [1], so I believe I have a right to an opinion on this.) You wonder if there would have been a problem if he had said simply, free of political prodding, "I pla…
Making the decision to host a conference in Israel in the first place is a form of political posturing, as is message censorship. If they truly wanted to be apolitical (and it appears that Alexander Wirt very much does not) they could have held it somewhere more neutral (e.g. Turkey).
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#6He removed a bad-faith message that needlessly brought up political issues. Good for him. One of the reasons I avoid many of these communities is the hateful, bad-faith political posturing. (One of my 4 grandparents was born in Gaza City, and expelled in 1929 [1], so I believe I have a right to an opinion on this.) You wonder if there would have been a problem if he had said simply, free of political prodding, "I pla…
He removed a bad-faith message that needlessly brought up political issues.
Political - yes, though one could argue that the toxic state of relations in that region (almost) forces us to be political, in nearly any decision we make.
Arguably, staying silent (and not bringing the idea of a dual-city conference) would have been a "political" gesture, also. Tacitly in favor of the current status quo.
But bad faith? I don't think so.
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#7He removed a bad-faith message that needlessly brought up political issues. Good for him. One of the reasons I avoid many of these communities is the hateful, bad-faith political posturing. (One of my 4 grandparents was born in Gaza City, and expelled in 1929 [1], so I believe I have a right to an opinion on this.) You wonder if there would have been a problem if he had said simply, free of political prodding, "I pla…
Making the decision to host a conference in Israel in the first place is a form of political posturing, as is message censorship. If they truly wanted to be apolitical (and it appears that Alexander Wirt very much does not) they could have held it somewhere more neutral (e.g. Turkey).
I don't have any inside knowledge on this. But I would think choosing any particular country could be interpreted as posturing by some group.
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#8He removed a bad-faith message that needlessly brought up political issues. Good for him. One of the reasons I avoid many of these communities is the hateful, bad-faith political posturing. (One of my 4 grandparents was born in Gaza City, and expelled in 1929 [1], so I believe I have a right to an opinion on this.) You wonder if there would have been a problem if he had said simply, free of political prodding, "I pla…
Making the decision to host a conference in Israel in the first place is a form of political posturing, as is message censorship. If they truly wanted to be apolitical (and it appears that Alexander Wirt very much does not) they could have held it somewhere more neutral (e.g. Turkey).
Are you serious? There was an article on HN just yesterday about how Turkey censored Wikipedia for two years.
I think a lot of Israeli engineers would just like to be able to host conferences without it turning into a geopolitical debate.
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#9Headline is misleading. He didn't 'offer to speak', he proposed splitting the conference 50:50 between Israel and Palestine. Fine, if that's something you think would benefit the community, but then should we also be splitting conferences in China between Beijing and Tibet? Russia and East Ukraine? India and Kashmir?
Either turn every academic conference into a geopolitical soapbox or just host it where the engineers are and leave it at that.
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#10> Can you see any way in which this message could be considered anti-semitic? I accept the message can be disturbing to some (not to me) but I believe it is not anti-semitic.
> the message can be disturbing to some
How would it be disturbing?