US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

#1

Post by HaGoijer » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 7:21 AM UTC

US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale
reuters.com

Re: US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

#2

Post by java-man » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 2:36 PM UTC

All this will do is encourage development of indigenous technology. Unlike, let's say IBM360/USSR situation.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computing_in_the_So...

Re: US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

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Post by ryuukk_ » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 3:15 PM UTC

java-man wrote: post #2

All this will do is encourage development of indigenous technology. Unlike, let's say IBM360/USSR situation. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computing_in_the_So...

bullshit

all this does is:

kill every US competition

don't dare trying to become a global giant, US lawyers will come to you, if you ignore, they'll send the army with the "democracy" flag

Re: US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

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Post by secondo » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 3:15 PM UTC

As a European I feel increasingly concerned about the influence of US in our recent trading decisions. The sense of an alliance feels somewhat imbalanced to say the least. Interestingly whereas we have an advanced hardware industry we’re so far behind on leading software solutions that I doubt there will be any change to this balance any time soon. I guess software is eating the world...

Re: US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

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Post by yorwba » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

secondo wrote: post #4

As a European I feel increasingly concerned about the influence of US in our recent trading decisions. The sense of an alliance feels somewhat imbalanced to say the least. Interestingly whereas we have an advanced hardware industry we’re so far behind on leading software solutions that I doubt there will be any change to this balance any time soon. I guess software is eating the world...

That hardware usually ships with software provided by the manufacturer, so I'm not sure Europe really is behind on "leading software solutions". Software that isn't aimed at mass-market user-facing applications is still software.

Re: US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

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Post by tinus_hn » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 3:56 PM UTC

secondo wrote: post #4

As a European I feel increasingly concerned about the influence of US in our recent trading decisions. The sense of an alliance feels somewhat imbalanced to say the least. Interestingly whereas we have an advanced hardware industry we’re so far behind on leading software solutions that I doubt there will be any change to this balance any time soon. I guess software is eating the world...

It’s not like this is new, except with this government subtle diplomacy has been replaced with loud buffoonery, which makes this kind of manipulation slightly more obvious.

Re: US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

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Post by sremani » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 4:26 PM UTC

secondo wrote: post #4

As a European I feel increasingly concerned about the influence of US in our recent trading decisions. The sense of an alliance feels somewhat imbalanced to say the least. Interestingly whereas we have an advanced hardware industry we’re so far behind on leading software solutions that I doubt there will be any change to this balance any time soon. I guess software is eating the world...

American Security guarantees do not come for free. Feeling constrained? then raise an Army and a Navy worth fielding and fighting Russians with out American assistance.

Re: US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

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Post by the-dude » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 4:28 PM UTC

sremani wrote: post #7

secondo wrote: post #4

As a European I feel increasingly concerned about the influence of US in our recent trading decisions. The sense of an alliance feels somewhat imbalanced to say the least. Interestingly whereas we have an advanced hardware industry we’re so far behind on leading software solutions that I doubt there will be any change to this balance any time soon. I guess software is eating the world...

American Security guarantees do not come for free. Feeling constrained? then raise an Army and a Navy worth fielding and fighting Russians with out American assistance.

Why would we fight the Russians?

Re: US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

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Post by wffurr » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 4:37 PM UTC

the-dude wrote: post #8

sremani wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American Security guarantees do not come for free. Feeling constrained? then raise an Army and a Navy worth fielding and fighting Russians with out American assistance.

Why would we fight the Russians?

Some people are still stuck in the Cold War.

Re: US Pressed Dutch Gov over ASML Sale

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Post by cies » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 4:45 PM UTC

sremani wrote: post #7

secondo wrote: post #4

As a European I feel increasingly concerned about the influence of US in our recent trading decisions. The sense of an alliance feels somewhat imbalanced to say the least. Interestingly whereas we have an advanced hardware industry we’re so far behind on leading software solutions that I doubt there will be any change to this balance any time soon. I guess software is eating the world...

American Security guarantees do not come for free. Feeling constrained? then raise an Army and a Navy worth fielding and fighting Russians with out American assistance.

Or create a new NATO that does not repeatedly exclude the Russians[1]. And could also hold a rule not to invade other countries (yes looking at you US).

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/fact-russia-pitch...