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The sad truth about our boldest climate target

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Re: The sad truth about our boldest climate target

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Man if Al Gore was elected we may have had a shot in 2000. But I guess Florida voted to grow gills.

I knew someone who lived in Broward county and voted for Bush in the 2000 election. His reason: Gore was boring. Not everyone sizes up the issues.

Yeah I didn’t think Gore was all that exciting either so I can understand. But unfortunately everything has to be one side or the other. Even science.

Re: The sad truth about our boldest climate target

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> They believe that without that public optimism, the fragile effort to battle climate change will collapse completely.

I can imagine this being true.

If a meteor is going to destroy Earth you probably aren't spending your last few days doing the dishes and sweeping the floors. You're only doing that if there's a > 50% chance that we'll be able to divert it.

And better than "being optimistic" is rapidly developing the technology and passing the law to make it realistic.

Re: The sad truth about our boldest climate target

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I knew someone who lived in Broward county and voted for Bush in the 2000 election. His reason: Gore was boring. Not everyone sizes up the issues.

Yeah I didn’t think Gore was all that exciting either so I can understand. But unfortunately everything has to be one side or the other. Even science.

Yeah, for some reason that explanation really bugged me. If the vote was for policy reasons I wouldn't have felt as upset.

Re: The sad truth about our boldest climate target

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I knew someone who lived in Broward county and voted for Bush in the 2000 election. His reason: Gore was boring. Not everyone sizes up the issues.

Yeah I didn’t think Gore was all that exciting either so I can understand. But unfortunately everything has to be one side or the other. Even science.

I don't understand this about politics - what needs to be exciting? What does it mean for a politician to be boring? Even back then, I thought politicians are elected to be boring. I am ESL, is this word used differently in politics?and how was Bush exciting? Is it some flashiness he maintained? I think I misunderstand.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I didn’t think Gore was all that exciting either so I can understand. But unfortunately everything has to be one side or the other. Even science.

Yeah, for some reason that explanation really bugged me. If the vote was for policy reasons I wouldn't have felt as upset.

Remember when Bush senior had a climate policy. This change really shows how money can manipulate public opinion and politicians’ “decisions”

Re: The sad truth about our boldest climate target

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Yeah I didn’t think Gore was all that exciting either so I can understand. But unfortunately everything has to be one side or the other. Even science.

I don't understand this about politics - what needs to be exciting? What does it mean for a politician to be boring? Even back then, I thought politicians are elected to be boring. I am ESL, is this word used differently in politics?and how was Bush exciting? Is it some flashiness he maintained? I think I misunderstand.

Politics has become entertainment. It's like a reality show where contestants gradually get kicked off.

In one election someone even proposed a litmus test "who would you rather have a beer with?". In other it's been "who would you invite into your home". Neither are ever going to happen, but it's easier to tug at people's emotions than get them to listen to information.

Re: The sad truth about our boldest climate target

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This is one if the best writings on climate crisis I’ve read recently. To add my two cents

"I am a pessimist by nature. Many people can only keep on fighting when they expect to win. I'm not like that, I always expect to lose. I fight anyway, and sometimes I win."

-- Richard Stallman

Fuck hope and optimism. I am gonna go out and fight no matter what. Doing nothing makes me sick.

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