Tell Microsoft and GitHub to Drop ICE as a Client
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Re: Tell Microsoft and GitHub to Drop ICE as a Client
#2The U.S. government is a big spender on tech. Tech CEOs have an obligation to shareholders not to turn away big clients.
A sovereign country makes an effort to police its borders. It should do so humanely, and not expect 100% success in stopping illegal immigration, but immigration enforcement is a proper function. I get the impression that critics of tech companies doing business with ICE are against all enforcement.
Re: Tell Microsoft and GitHub to Drop ICE as a Client
#3If they don't, the people who forced Chef to drop their contract owe them a BIG apology. It's completely unfair to harass the little guys while the Microsoft's and Oracle's of the world continue, unaffected.
Re: Tell Microsoft and GitHub to Drop ICE as a Client
#4No. They can do business with whoever they want as long as doing so doesn't break any law.
The world will never fully conform to anyone's vision, get over it.
Re: Tell Microsoft and GitHub to Drop ICE as a Client
#5The U.S. government is a big spender on tech. Tech CEOs have an obligation to shareholders not to turn away big clients. A sovereign country makes an effort to police its borders. It should do so humanely, and not expect 100% success in stopping illegal immigration, but immigration enforcement is a proper function. I get the impression that critics of tech companies doing business with ICE are against all enforcement…
...Or maybe refusing to work with an inhumane administration is the ethical thing to do because it raises awareness of the public which is the only way to modify an administration's bad behavior ?
Enforcement is supposed to serve the public and the public has the right to tell the enforcement when the job is badly done. It is very different than to be against enforcement.
Lastly, I hope that sone shareholders may want to associate themselves with humanistics valors because they are human being too.
Re: Tell Microsoft and GitHub to Drop ICE as a Client
#6Pay attention to the record and intentions of your legislative candidates, and go vote if you don't like what the government buys, or what kinds of institutions your politicians have asked the Federal government to take over.
ICE will have Git hosting, this is not where your perceived injustice is occurring.
Re: Tell Microsoft and GitHub to Drop ICE as a Client
#7No. They can do business with whoever they want as long as doing so doesn't break any law. The world will never fully conform to anyone's vision, get over it.
I would not describe not imprisoning children a "vision" but a defense of basic human rights.
Making money at all costs, this is a vision.
Re: Tell Microsoft and GitHub to Drop ICE as a Client
#8The U.S. government is a big spender on tech. Tech CEOs have an obligation to shareholders not to turn away big clients. A sovereign country makes an effort to police its borders. It should do so humanely, and not expect 100% success in stopping illegal immigration, but immigration enforcement is a proper function. I get the impression that critics of tech companies doing business with ICE are against all enforcement…
If a big client hurts your reputation, goodwill and mindshare and makes hiring more difficult there comes a point where you would have to argue that executives have the obligation to shareholders to turn those harmful clients away.
Re: Tell Microsoft and GitHub to Drop ICE as a Client
#9The U.S. government is a big spender on tech. Tech CEOs have an obligation to shareholders not to turn away big clients. A sovereign country makes an effort to police its borders. It should do so humanely, and not expect 100% success in stopping illegal immigration, but immigration enforcement is a proper function. I get the impression that critics of tech companies doing business with ICE are against all enforcement…
Its quite funny that America was once heavily criticized for meddling in other country's affairs and inviting their hatred in return (pre 9/11 days). And now, they are criticized for exactly the opposite thing: Just minding their own business and securing it from outsiders!
Re: Tell Microsoft and GitHub to Drop ICE as a Client
#10There was a time when people came freely across the seas, and there were no passports or citizenship documents. In many places it wasn't even that long ago, 100 years or less. You just had to speak the language to make it, or find your community. If you didn't, you'd often become a slave (or were brought in as one).
But we live in a different world today, and there needs to be reasonable means to control immigration in the way modern countries have evolved to operate. I got a visa in New Zealand once and need to get my FBI fingerprints, a chest x-ray and blood tests.
You might disagree with certain policies, and there should be a legal means for more migrant labor for certain farm and factory fields to come in to meet the demand, but blanket "ICE bad" is just a weird stance to take. As the son of a legal immigrant, and someone who has gone through another county's immigration process, I think it's a little bonkers.
There are also plenty of legal refugee status programs (although some are difficult to find and yes, border security may deter people from the right locations/checkpoints to apply -- different problem really). Many undocumented workers come across the borders with their passports and just overstay (and we should have a way to give them actual work visas if they have passports, no criminal record and there is demand).
Well what about the war and crime and people escaping, you ask? Here's a better solution. The United States should stop buying ALL THE COCAINE and also put in actual gun registration so the big gun companies can't make as much money with their massive smuggling programs:
https://battlepenguin.com/politics/america-and-the-mexican-d...