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Using Bee Stings to Treat Lyme Disease

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Re: Using Bee Stings to Treat Lyme Disease

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This sounds a lot like the Amazonian medicine Kambo, which is tree frog poison. The practitioner burns a small hole on the top layer of the recipient's skin, rubs off the burnt layer, and applies a drop of frog poison mixed with the saliva. The poison almost immediately causes an extreme lymphatic reaction that is thought to clear toxins from the body. Kambo is called the vaccine of the Amazon.

The bee sting mechanism seems much the same. Poisoning the body in order to stimulate the immune system.

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This sounds a lot like the Amazonian medicine Kambo, which is tree frog poison. The practitioner burns a small hole on the top layer of the recipient's skin, rubs off the burnt layer, and applies a drop of frog poison mixed with the saliva. The poison almost immediately causes an extreme lymphatic reaction that is thought to clear toxins from the body. Kambo is called the vaccine of the Amazon. The bee sting mechanis…

I believe colloquially the call that frog “the doctor” (shown in Vice Hamilton’s Pharmacopeia https://youtu.be/C3Yd7M3JNlw)

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This sounds a lot like the Amazonian medicine Kambo, which is tree frog poison. The practitioner burns a small hole on the top layer of the recipient's skin, rubs off the burnt layer, and applies a drop of frog poison mixed with the saliva. The poison almost immediately causes an extreme lymphatic reaction that is thought to clear toxins from the body. Kambo is called the vaccine of the Amazon. The bee sting mechanis…

Came here to mention Kambo as it was my first thought too. (Kambo has been used to treat lyme disease, as well. I doubt there have been any official studies unfortunately).

Also, one doesn't _need_ to use saliva, that's usually only done due to lack of clean water in the amazon (Source: am an IAKP certified practitioner)

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This sounds a lot like the Amazonian medicine Kambo, which is tree frog poison. The practitioner burns a small hole on the top layer of the recipient's skin, rubs off the burnt layer, and applies a drop of frog poison mixed with the saliva. The poison almost immediately causes an extreme lymphatic reaction that is thought to clear toxins from the body. Kambo is called the vaccine of the Amazon. The bee sting mechanis…

I believe colloquially the call that frog “the doctor” (shown in Vice Hamilton’s Pharmacopeia https://youtu.be/C3Yd7M3JNlw )

Bad video title...You don't trip on Kambo. It doesn't contain any tryptamines and is 100% legal. You wouldn't want to smoke it

The bufo alvarius toad, however, contains 5-MeO-DMT (and a few other molecules). (And the only safe way to use that is to vape the excretion)

Re: Using Bee Stings to Treat Lyme Disease

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This sounds a lot like the Amazonian medicine Kambo, which is tree frog poison. The practitioner burns a small hole on the top layer of the recipient's skin, rubs off the burnt layer, and applies a drop of frog poison mixed with the saliva. The poison almost immediately causes an extreme lymphatic reaction that is thought to clear toxins from the body. Kambo is called the vaccine of the Amazon. The bee sting mechanis…

Came here to mention Kambo as it was my first thought too. (Kambo has been used to treat lyme disease, as well. I doubt there have been any official studies unfortunately). Also, one doesn't _need_ to use saliva, that's usually only done due to lack of clean water in the amazon (Source: am an IAKP certified practitioner)

I've been told by a practitioner that saliva activates the kambo better than plain water, but who knows.

I've been trying kambo for ulcerative colitis over the past year. My gastroenterologist is perfectly happy to have me take a variety of medications for the rest of my life, whose safety has only been studied over a six-month period.

Western medicine gets the job done, it's true, but it's time to open our minds to Eastern medicine and so-called "folk medicine." Many of these treatments can complement Western medicine.

In my case, Traditional Chinese medicinal herbs have been clinically proven to enhance the efficacy of drugs used to treat Ulcerative Colitis

Re: Using Bee Stings to Treat Lyme Disease

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There is a lot of quackery surrounding lyme disease, and patients who think they might have lyme can easily end up spending a fortune on dubious treatments and unproven tests.

That's certainly true, but what other option do you have? When you have Lyme, you are an explorer in an alien landscape. Medicine has not caught up to the incidence of the disease, and people with Lyme must do something. They can't all just wait around in pain and misery for the FDA to approve a treatment.

Re: Using Bee Stings to Treat Lyme Disease

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I spent some time in the Lyme disease communities after I tested positive for Lyme disease under the official two-test CDC criteria. The pop-culture version of Lyme disease discussed on the Internet has almost no resemblance to the actual medical science. There are a lot of people genuinely suffering unexplained symptoms, real pain, who are drawn into the seductive explanations of the “chronic Lyme” communities online.

Quackery like this is commonplace. Usually there’s a thread of potential science buried somewhere in the treatments, like the idea of bee stings triggering a beneficial immune response. However, the common theme is always a complete lack of actual research and total hit or miss response rate among people who try these experiments on themselves.

One common theme in the chronic Lyme communities is that people who go into remission tend to attribute their response to whatever technique, supplement, or medication they were trying at the time. These people are desperate for relief, so they’re often cycling through 10s of supplements or quack treatments at a time. If they spontaneously go into remission, they’ll swear it was due to the supplements. Yet others fail to have the same success with the same supplements. You end up with long lists of “things that might help” according to anecdotal reports, and the desperate sufferers start trying them one by one until something changes. When they exhaust the basic supplements they move on to more exotic treatments like bee stings.

The sad part is that these people really are suffering, but they’ve become so militantly attached to the disproven chronic Lyme infection hypothesis that they’re stuck in a research wasteland. Self-diagnosed Chronic Lyme patients have gone so far as to harass researchers who publish results that disagree with their theories. It’s such a delicate topic that researchers and doctors don’t even want to touch the subject these days. It took me 2 weeks of calling infectious disease specialists and screening my positive test results before someone would let me step foot in their office. Apparently they’re buried under self-diagnosed “chronic Lyme” patients who order questionable self tests on the Internet.

As for Lyme disease: The actual infection can be treated with a standard course of antibiotics. The infection does not persist indefinitely, although some people experience long-lasting effects after the infection is gone. This is what “chronic Lyme” refers to, assuming the patients had legitimate infections in the first place. Many of these patients are self-diagnosing based on vague symptoms alone, or ordering quack tests from Lyme labs that will give anyone a positive result as long as they’re willing to pay for it.

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