Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development
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Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development
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Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development
#2I’m disappointed this wasn’t really about remote workers but about remote development as in code doesn’t live on the machine. That said, remote development tends to be awful, and more tools could be helpful if it’s not specific to a FBs particular implementation of remote dev shards. Learning that at Facebook you don’t develop things locally and likely are on a box with all sorts of things tracking your usage and access to everything lends even further credence to the big brother thing. I understand that for a codebase and app that’s too big to run on one client machine it makes sense, but what also makes sense is having piecemeal development environments where you just pull the components that you need.
Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development
#3I’m disappointed this wasn’t really about remote workers but about remote development as in code doesn’t live on the machine. That said, remote development tends to be awful, and more tools could be helpful if it’s not specific to a FBs particular implementation of remote dev shards. Learning that at Facebook you don’t develop things locally and likely are on a box with all sorts of things tracking your usage and acc…
Agreed. I read it the same way (Yay! Remote work!) and was similarly disappointed.
Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development
#4I’m disappointed this wasn’t really about remote workers but about remote development as in code doesn’t live on the machine. That said, remote development tends to be awful, and more tools could be helpful if it’s not specific to a FBs particular implementation of remote dev shards. Learning that at Facebook you don’t develop things locally and likely are on a box with all sorts of things tracking your usage and acc…
I thought the same. After working remotely for 3 years I was happy to learn that FB and Microsoft were starting a remote program. I was wrong...
Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development
#5I’m disappointed this wasn’t really about remote workers but about remote development as in code doesn’t live on the machine. That said, remote development tends to be awful, and more tools could be helpful if it’s not specific to a FBs particular implementation of remote dev shards. Learning that at Facebook you don’t develop things locally and likely are on a box with all sorts of things tracking your usage and acc…
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Not really sure what you are implying with the 'Big Brother' comment. The remote development servers are only used for writing/debugging code and not for other daily tasks. Even if they are tracking what tools/functions I am using on the server, what does that matter?
Personally, I have found remote development awesome because it enables engineers to start contributing to a huge product in the very first hour. No need to wait for the repository to clone, the dependencies to install, and the code to build before you can become productive.
Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development
#6I’m disappointed this wasn’t really about remote workers but about remote development as in code doesn’t live on the machine. That said, remote development tends to be awful, and more tools could be helpful if it’s not specific to a FBs particular implementation of remote dev shards. Learning that at Facebook you don’t develop things locally and likely are on a box with all sorts of things tracking your usage and acc…
Disclaimer: Work at Facebook Not really sure what you are implying with the 'Big Brother' comment. The remote development servers are only used for writing/debugging code and not for other daily tasks. Even if they are tracking what tools/functions I am using on the server, what does that matter? Personally, I have found remote development awesome because it enables engineers to start contributing to a huge product i…
> Personally, I have found remote development awesome because it enables engineers to start contributing to a huge product in the very first hour. No need to wait for the repository to clone, the dependencies to install, and the code to build before you can become productive.
I am nobody but I've had this nagging feeling ever since I started working on websites for big corporations about why can't I work on my code on my local machine with no network connectivity? Why do I need to talk to three different databases and two different services on five different servers? Why can't I just fake all those things during my development?
If anything, my not so humble opinion is that remote development further enables bad habits. Of course, remote development is a tool and is not to blame but I recently learned the term "hermetic" build [Google SRE]
>The build process is self-contained and must not rely on services that are external to the build environment.
Personally, I think we should work towards making it possible to run (or at least stub) the whole stack on a single physical machine - be it local or remote. What do you think? I think this is a trivial problem engineering-wise but I am not very good at selling ideas.
[Google SRE] https://landing.google.com/sre/sre-book/chapters/release-eng...
Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Disclaimer: Work at Facebook Not really sure what you are implying with the 'Big Brother' comment. The remote development servers are only used for writing/debugging code and not for other daily tasks. Even if they are tracking what tools/functions I am using on the server, what does that matter? Personally, I have found remote development awesome because it enables engineers to start contributing to a huge product i…
> Personally, I have found remote development awesome because it enables engineers to start contributing to a huge product in the very first hour. No need to wait for the repository to clone, the dependencies to install, and the code to build before you can become productive. I am nobody but I've had this nagging feeling ever since I started working on websites for big corporations about why can't I work on my code o…
> Why can't I just fake all those things during my development?
Wiremock but it takes some work. I wish public API providers also provided Mock servers for developers.
Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development
#8Everything is better than "cloud desktops" and everything that includes remote desktop connection for UI, with bad font rendering etc. I don't use vim, I use IDEs and like when they have native and fast rendering
Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development
#9I’m disappointed this wasn’t really about remote workers but about remote development as in code doesn’t live on the machine. That said, remote development tends to be awful, and more tools could be helpful if it’s not specific to a FBs particular implementation of remote dev shards. Learning that at Facebook you don’t develop things locally and likely are on a box with all sorts of things tracking your usage and acc…
Disclaimer: Work at Facebook Not really sure what you are implying with the 'Big Brother' comment. The remote development servers are only used for writing/debugging code and not for other daily tasks. Even if they are tracking what tools/functions I am using on the server, what does that matter? Personally, I have found remote development awesome because it enables engineers to start contributing to a huge product i…
People don't like being tracked and Facebook has a long history of being deceptive around how and when it tracks people. Facebook also has a long history of selling the data it collects as a result of tracking even when the people being tracked try as they might to opt out.
Hence the "big brother" reference.
Frankly, I was/am a little leary of how Facebook might be "improving" the MSVSC Remote Development pack since I use it every day.
Re: Facebook and Microsoft Partner on Remote Development
#10Everything is better than "cloud desktops" and everything that includes remote desktop connection for UI, with bad font rendering etc. I don't use vim, I use IDEs and like when they have native and fast rendering
vscode is based on Electron. So even if you run it locally, it runs on "browser". So Remote Desktop is not needed.
Also there's some other features for remote development. You can for example develop inside Docker while running the UI on your desktop [1]. Or you can connect via ssh [2]. A bit like IDE split between client and server components. All the intelligence runs remotely, just UI runs locally.
[1] https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/containers [2] https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/ssh