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Fab in India: India is trying to create an indigenous chip-making industry

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Context: The designs are based on RISC-V ISA (https://riscv.org). When India looks east, it sees Huawei, a Chinese tech giant, being cut off from American-made components as a result of the trade war. To the west, it sees its most talented engineers working in Silicon Valley. By pouring millions of dollars into Indian-made semiconductors, India’s government hopes to solve both problems at once.

The open source academic project mentioned in the article is 'Project Shakti' at IIT Madras.

Link: https://shakti.org.in/

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> To the west, it sees its most talented engineers working in Silicon Valley. By pouring millions of dollars into Indian-made semiconductors, India’s government hopes to solve both problems at once.

It really can't. Considering the "rootless" nature of Indian urban life, education and society, both culturally and linguistically, the lack of "pull" ensures that any money you pour into its colonial institutions is only going to accelerate its departure to American shores. There is little precedence of such a deeply colonial state ever being able to help its subjects in a meaningful way (ironically, it was perhaps less so during British era).

People who think India (with literacy of < 80%) is the next China are too self-deluded for help.

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I'm very excited about India's ambitions. It would not only be meaningful for India, but for many people around the world. We are lacking open chips, and project Shakti is on a trajectory to solve a part of that.

I wonder when GCC learns to use the source code of the hardware along with the source code of the software to optimize the binary with full knowledge of the system.

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> To the west, it sees its most talented engineers working in Silicon Valley. By pouring millions of dollars into Indian-made semiconductors, India’s government hopes to solve both problems at once. It really can't. Considering the "rootless" nature of Indian urban life, education and society, both culturally and linguistically, the lack of "pull" ensures that any money you pour into its colonial institutions is only…

You vastly underestimate the size and diversity of India. Their middle class is bigger than that of the USA or I think even that of the entire EU.

The can have a low rate on pretty much every statistic, while still having a higher total amount of it than us, simply due to.the sheer size of people. They could have an entire state, more modern, rich and with more people than Germany, while keeping their current statistics. No problem.

Also: Are you Indian (I think not), or what is your basis for the ”rootless“ statement. To us Germans, Americans appear rootless. But we are not competent to judge that!

Finally, things like this right here ARE how you get Indians out of poverty and illiteracy! Even if just via the resulting businesses lobbying for more education.

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> To the west, it sees its most talented engineers working in Silicon Valley. By pouring millions of dollars into Indian-made semiconductors, India’s government hopes to solve both problems at once. It really can't. Considering the "rootless" nature of Indian urban life, education and society, both culturally and linguistically, the lack of "pull" ensures that any money you pour into its colonial institutions is only…

This is ridiculous. If Malaysia is on the verge of surpassing Portugal in per capita GDP why can’t India? They’re each “deeply colonial states”, neither of them having any real connection to pre-British states except as constituent units. More generally India has already done plenty to help its citizens. Even before the end of the License Raj, when the wannabe Fabians we’re running India you had massive improvements in health and education. Since the worst of the economic mismanagement was removed the Indian economy and the general populace's living standards have just shot up and continue to do so.

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> To the west, it sees its most talented engineers working in Silicon Valley. By pouring millions of dollars into Indian-made semiconductors, India’s government hopes to solve both problems at once. It really can't. Considering the "rootless" nature of Indian urban life, education and society, both culturally and linguistically, the lack of "pull" ensures that any money you pour into its colonial institutions is only…

China did it, Korea did it, all the Asian tigers did it, (The USA too, long ago) and via the same way: domestic government investment and programs to stimulate manufacturing.
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