An Update to Our Community and an Apology
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An Update to Our Community and an Apology
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Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology
#2There’s an apology for ‘causing confusion’ due to bad timing and a promise to update the community, but no news here. Just seems like a link to a heated fight.
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#3There’s an apology for ‘causing confusion’ due to bad timing and a promise to update the community, but no news here. Just seems like a link to a heated fight.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology
#4There’s an apology for ‘causing confusion’ due to bad timing and a promise to update the community, but no news here. Just seems like a link to a heated fight.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
It seems like a correct observation to me. A nothing / false apology that seems to serve little other than to kick the hornet's nest.
I'm curious, how do you see it?
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#6Stack Exchange as an organization might (somehow) be prohibited from releasing all of the background information that they have used for their decision making. But I am surprised that they haven't released any information, given the serious allegations made against them. And I haven't read anything corroborating Stack Exchange's "side" of the story, whereas a large number of people seem to be standing up for Monica.
I see three possibilities: 1. Monica telling the complete truth, there is a terrible misunderstanding, but SE doesn't want to lose face by backing down 2. Monica is lying 3. Monica is terribly confused
At this point, we all have to assume it's #1. If it's #2 or #3, SE really needs to come out and say something (beyond "we stand by our decision but our process needs updating") for the good of the communities. Stack Exchange is nothing without the community, since 100% of the content on SE was directly contributed by the community.
Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology
#7Stack Exchange as an organization might (somehow) be prohibited from releasing all of the background information that they have used for their decision making. But I am surprised that they haven't released any information, given the serious allegations made against them. And I haven't read anything corroborating Stack Exchange's "side" of the story, whereas a large number of people seem to be standing up for Monica.…
In one of the comments, by Monica it seems, she's not convinced of any wrong doing:
> "repeatedly violating our existing Code of Conduct": citation needed. "CM’s repeated requests to change": citation needed. – Monica Cellio
And later she clarifies that she doesn't know the specific thing that caused it:
> @Randal'Thor let's start with them telling us exactly what part of the current CoC they think I "repeated violated". There's a lot of discussion in that email including of deeply personal identity-background stuff, so I want to know what the charge is before I decide if that response would help. They didn't even tell me what they think I did. – Monica Cellio
Edit: added 2nd comment by Monica
Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology
#8I don’t know about who, what, where, when or why... but the “don't ship on Friday” comment in an apology statement regarding the handling of firing someone is completely brain dead / tone deaf. In the very few official statements I’ve worked on, they are reviewed by so many people (so many that even I had to vet it). Unbelievable that “don’t ship on Friday” got through.
Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology
#9Is that an apology? It reads more like "I am sorry that you are angry, but we did nothing wrong so suck it lololol"
I don't know if the SO mod (Cellio) is in the wrong, but they did not give any explanation why Cellio was removed. I am unconvinced by this update.
Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology
#10Out of 5 paragraphs of text, the only "apology" was "We’re sorry for the confusion and uneasiness that caused." which is the equivalent of spitting on someone's face and apologizing with "I'm sorry you felt spit on."
I feel like we're watching one of the pillars of modern software development crumble.