California bill will drive a national debate over how to reshape labor laws
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Re: California bill will drive a national debate over how to reshape labor laws
#2So "feudalism" = "things I think are bad?"
The gig economy has many, many downsides, but those downsides don't share much at all in common with feudalism, even by analogy.
If we let all words deteriorate to mean simply "good" or "bad" (with gradations of good or badness), we're barely communicating.
Re: California bill will drive a national debate over how to reshape labor laws
#3Good.
People forget the past all too easily. It took a lot to get us the protections we have today. Giving them up so easily is a mistake.
For those thinking this is overreach and stifling innovation you need to look back at history and realise the same thing could be said about many commonplace workers rights that you take for granted now.
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Re: California bill will drive a national debate over how to reshape labor laws
#5So "feudalism" = "things I think are bad?" The gig economy has many, many downsides, but those downsides don't share much at all in common with feudalism, even by analogy. If we let all words deteriorate to mean simply "good" or "bad" (with gradations of good or badness), we're barely communicating.
> If we let all words deteriorate to mean simply "good" or "bad" (with gradations of good or badness), we're barely communicating.
doubleplusgood and ungood comes to mind.
Re: California bill will drive a national debate over how to reshape labor laws
#6So "feudalism" = "things I think are bad?" The gig economy has many, many downsides, but those downsides don't share much at all in common with feudalism, even by analogy. If we let all words deteriorate to mean simply "good" or "bad" (with gradations of good or badness), we're barely communicating.
No, linked in article:
> Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon claimed that independent contracting amounts to “corporations trying to oppress workers.” He continued with, “When you hear about folks talking about the new economy, the gig economy, and the innovation economy, it’s fucking feudalism, all over again.”
I think if you take a look over the wiki page [1], he's probably talking about the similarity between classes. It's also in context about more than just the gig economy. And it's also in reference to what people are saying, the way they talk about it, and the way they are selling it to other people. Not talking about the gig economy itself as a concept.
Re: California bill will drive a national debate over how to reshape labor laws
#7So "feudalism" = "things I think are bad?" The gig economy has many, many downsides, but those downsides don't share much at all in common with feudalism, even by analogy. If we let all words deteriorate to mean simply "good" or "bad" (with gradations of good or badness), we're barely communicating.
While it doesn't fit a strict definition of "feudalism", large parts of the gig economy are very exploitative, which is also a characteristic of feudalism. And feudalism is generally regarded as a bad thing.
Re: California bill will drive a national debate over how to reshape labor laws
#8The way to reshape labour laws is to offer an alternative job defining the socially minimum acceptable job in a local area.
Business then has to compete with that to attract labour. No other labour law required. Simple competition sorts it out.
That is also has the advantage of being a geographically targeted federal automatic stabiliser that operates far more effectively than interest rate targeting via bank lending, and ends unemployment permanently and forever is just an added bonus.
Re: California bill will drive a national debate over how to reshape labor laws
#9So "feudalism" = "things I think are bad?" The gig economy has many, many downsides, but those downsides don't share much at all in common with feudalism, even by analogy. If we let all words deteriorate to mean simply "good" or "bad" (with gradations of good or badness), we're barely communicating.
While it doesn't fit a strict definition of "feudalism", large parts of the gig economy are very exploitative, which is also a characteristic of feudalism. And feudalism is generally regarded as a bad thing.
Which is allowing feudalism to degenerate into just meaning 'bad', rather than actually, you know, meaning feudalism.
Re: California bill will drive a national debate over how to reshape labor laws
#10So "feudalism" = "things I think are bad?" The gig economy has many, many downsides, but those downsides don't share much at all in common with feudalism, even by analogy. If we let all words deteriorate to mean simply "good" or "bad" (with gradations of good or badness), we're barely communicating.
While it doesn't fit a strict definition of "feudalism", large parts of the gig economy are very exploitative, which is also a characteristic of feudalism. And feudalism is generally regarded as a bad thing.
You're inadvertently making precisely my original point: "exploitation" and "bad thing" are incredibly general properties that exist in many systems, and it's not useful or insightful to compare them to feudalism.