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The Impact of Meditating Every Day

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Re: The Impact of Meditating Every Day

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In my experience, apps (like Headspace) mostly distract you from witnessing. Any type of guided mediation has an entertaining aspect to it - you have to follow the guidelines instead of pure witnessing.

Would you mind elaborating a bit more on that?

I've been meaning to get into the meditating for a quite a while now. But never seem to find time/motivation to research how to start.

Re: The Impact of Meditating Every Day

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In my experience, apps (like Headspace) mostly distract you from witnessing. Any type of guided mediation has an entertaining aspect to it - you have to follow the guidelines instead of pure witnessing.

Would you mind elaborating a bit more on that? I've been meaning to get into the meditating for a quite a while now. But never seem to find time/motivation to research how to start.

I started meditating using some written guide/books and Headspace.

An app is helpful to guide you at the beginning, but past a certain point having someone talking during most of the session seems a bit detrimental to your actual focus or awareness. I even wonder if there isn't some sort of Pavlovian response, whenever you listen to Andy Puddicombe voice, you want to meditate.

The core of the issue is that there is a conflict of interests between an app that want to keep you subscribed forever, and the idea of teaching something universal. In any app, I have never heard the teacher saying that you don't need the app to actually meditate (which is obviously true). By making you dependent of an app, you are actually less free than before.

Understand that these meditation apps (Headspace/Calm) are mostly VC funded , and they don't only want to teach you something, their investors also want some hockey stick curves. There is nothing wrong with that but it also explains how some features are designed.

That being said I think it was helpful to use them, they provide some value so I would rather recommend them, just not forever.

Re: The Impact of Meditating Every Day

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Would you mind elaborating a bit more on that? I've been meaning to get into the meditating for a quite a while now. But never seem to find time/motivation to research how to start.

I started meditating using some written guide/books and Headspace. An app is helpful to guide you at the beginning, but past a certain point having someone talking during most of the session seems a bit detrimental to your actual focus or awareness. I even wonder if there isn't some sort of Pavlovian response, whenever you listen to Andy Puddicombe voice, you want to meditate. The core of the issue is that there is a…

Interestingly, in his book outlining the technique he teaches, Andy doesn’t directly recommend people do any sort of guided meditation. Rather, he talks about it like a sort of skill people can learn.

There are probably diminishing returns once you are able to focus through the technique, however, even in monasteries with experienced meditators simple cues like bells are used because everyone gets distracted once in a while!

Re: The Impact of Meditating Every Day

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I had always had some kind of anxiety or ocd for as long as I can remember. I'd searched for various ways to deal with it but only discovering meditation really worked for me.

After meditating for 6 months every day (starting with 5 minutes daily, ending with 20-30) I've completely got rid of it. A nice side effect was that I got to be a happier person overall (though that wasn't ever a problem for me), and learned to deal with any kind of stress whatsoever.

I'll happily recommend the, oh so often mentioned on hn, book "the mind illuminated" it really is great to start with: https://www.amazon.com/Mind-Illuminated-Meditation-Integrati...

Recently I haven't been meditating as much as I'd like to unfortunately (I'm trying to get back to it), but the effects are lasting nevertheless. And I still know how to calm myself in a matter of minutes or get more distanced to the situation.

Re: The Impact of Meditating Every Day

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> I try to meditate every morning for about 15 minutes and been doing that for quite some time now.

I find that doing any Self-Imposed Daily Challenging Healthy Activity will improve your life tremendously, meditation being just one type of SIDCHA.

While the benefits differ slightly, the magnitude of benefit from other SIDCHAs -- like exercising, drawing a picture, writing a blog post, writing three business ideas, cooking a meal from scratch, etc every day -- can be just as great. You develop discipline, ability to overcome internal resistance, self-awareness, etc.

I'm a big fan and practitioner of SIDCHAs and wrote them up: http://joshuaspodek.com/sidchas-the-series.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind elaborating a bit more on that? I've been meaning to get into the meditating for a quite a while now. But never seem to find time/motivation to research how to start.

I started meditating using some written guide/books and Headspace. An app is helpful to guide you at the beginning, but past a certain point having someone talking during most of the session seems a bit detrimental to your actual focus or awareness. I even wonder if there isn't some sort of Pavlovian response, whenever you listen to Andy Puddicombe voice, you want to meditate. The core of the issue is that there is a…

thanks, I think now I have no excuse not to try it out.

Re: The Impact of Meditating Every Day

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Hindu sages have advocated meditating for thousands of years, they do this in a specific time called Brahmamuhurtha in the morning when its most potent. Its the same sages that promote Yoga and Ayurveda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmamuhurtha

It won't be long before the West I hope catches onto the next phase which is learning about Mudras - kind of an accupressure to target certain nerves.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind elaborating a bit more on that? I've been meaning to get into the meditating for a quite a while now. But never seem to find time/motivation to research how to start.

I started meditating using some written guide/books and Headspace. An app is helpful to guide you at the beginning, but past a certain point having someone talking during most of the session seems a bit detrimental to your actual focus or awareness. I even wonder if there isn't some sort of Pavlovian response, whenever you listen to Andy Puddicombe voice, you want to meditate. The core of the issue is that there is a…

  I even wonder if there isn't some sort of Pavlovian response, 
  whenever you listen to Andy Puddicombe voice, you want to 
  meditate
YES. I've wondered the same, it almost seems like a waste if that's not what they're going for because it's right there.

  Understand that these meditation apps (Headspace/Calm) are 
  mostly VC funded , and they don't only want to teach you 
  something, their investors also want some hockey stick 
  curves. There is nothing wrong with that but it also explains 
  how some features are designed.
I don't know if that's completely fair. Both of these seem to really be trying to go after a model where businesses buy group subscriptions as an employee wellness perk. I think there's also untapped potential in trying to team with large healthcare providers because mental health is treated in the US in one of the most cost-ineffective ways, and it isn't even especially an effective way from a patient outcome standpoint either.

Anyways -- that's just all to say that achieving hockey stick growth in a B2B model should create better alignment and it shouldn't mean that they don't want to teach you something, I'm sure lots of people with good hearts are working there & want to do good for people/users.

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