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Simone de Beauvoir, The Art of Fiction No. 35 (1965)

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“In Plato, art is mystification because there is the heaven of Ideas; but in the earthly domain all glorification of the earth is true as soon as it is realized. Let men attach value to words, forms, colors, mathematical theorems, physical laws, and athletic prowess; let them accord value to one another in love and friendship, and the objects, the events, and the men immediately have this value; they have it absolutely. It is possible that a man may refuse to love anything on earth; he will prove this refusal and he will carry it out by suicide. If he lives, the reason is that, whatever he may say, there still remains in him some attachment to existence; his life will be commensurate with this attachment; it will justify itself to the extent that it genuinely justifies the world.”

Excerpt From: Simone de Beauvoir. “The Ethics of Ambiguity.

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“In Plato, art is mystification because there is the heaven of Ideas; but in the earthly domain all glorification of the earth is true as soon as it is realized. Let men attach value to words, forms, colors, mathematical theorems, physical laws, and athletic prowess; let them accord value to one another in love and friendship, and the objects, the events, and the men immediately have this value; they have it absolute…

Listened to the Philosophize This podcast [1] on The Ethics Of Ambiguity recently. Sounds very helpful. Looking forward to reading.

[1] https://open.spotify.com/episode/2U4NLsvSKkJmtbxvguAoHY

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“In Plato, art is mystification because there is the heaven of Ideas; but in the earthly domain all glorification of the earth is true as soon as it is realized. Let men attach value to words, forms, colors, mathematical theorems, physical laws, and athletic prowess; let them accord value to one another in love and friendship, and the objects, the events, and the men immediately have this value; they have it absolute…

Wittgenstein about Schopenhauer? ;-)

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Another word for Beauvoir's "swindle" is simply "dis-illusionment", isn't it? Life as we experience it is based on "stories" we read and hear and expect that at some point we would live like in a story and thus feel some deep significance to our life. But it never is like that. For some the story might be Beauvoir and she is honest enough to tell us that. Nothing special here. My (her) situation is like yours. But isn't that really the great unifier? We are all special, or none of us is.

The ending of a book makes the book timeless. The story is over but the story still exists and perhaps we long for that kind of existence? But reality is reality? No, the limits of our language are the limits of the world. (Wittgenstein I think).

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“In Plato, art is mystification because there is the heaven of Ideas; but in the earthly domain all glorification of the earth is true as soon as it is realized. Let men attach value to words, forms, colors, mathematical theorems, physical laws, and athletic prowess; let them accord value to one another in love and friendship, and the objects, the events, and the men immediately have this value; they have it absolute…

Wittgenstein about Schopenhauer? ;-)

Wittgenstein about "the man with the gospel" clutching Tolstoy's "Gospel in brief"? ;-)

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“In Plato, art is mystification because there is the heaven of Ideas; but in the earthly domain all glorification of the earth is true as soon as it is realized. Let men attach value to words, forms, colors, mathematical theorems, physical laws, and athletic prowess; let them accord value to one another in love and friendship, and the objects, the events, and the men immediately have this value; they have it absolute…

Listened to the Philosophize This podcast [1] on The Ethics Of Ambiguity recently. Sounds very helpful. Looking forward to reading. [1] https://open.spotify.com/episode/2U4NLsvSKkJmtbxvguAoHY

My favorite podcast! I just might be fangirling, but I love how Stephen West builds up every episode masterfully and, at the end of each episode, you feel the bubble burst and are thrust back to reality where you get to ponder with the new lens with which you now see the world through.

Anyhow, here's a link to the site's episode (if you don't use Spotify) [1].

And here's a link to his patreon page, in case anyone wants to support him as well [2].

[1] http://philosophizethis.org/simone-de-beauvoir-ethics/

[2] https://www.patreon.com/philosophizethis

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Another word for Beauvoir's "swindle" is simply "dis-illusionment", isn't it? Life as we experience it is based on "stories" we read and hear and expect that at some point we would live like in a story and thus feel some deep significance to our life. But it never is like that. For some the story might be Beauvoir and she is honest enough to tell us that. Nothing special here. My (her) situation is like yours. But is…

I'm not sure I understand the difference between "being" and "existence"
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