Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline
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Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline
#2Perhaps this makes me a terrible person, but I sometimes half hope to see things like this go through. The people of Alaska asked for this, and it will be interesting to see if they like getting what they asked for. The main reason it's only "half-hope" rather than fully hoping is that the damage from this will still affect people who didn't vote in favor of it. Those kids at the university deserve a better education than they'll get presuming the cut is allowed to stand.
Alternately, if I'm wrong about the value of austerity, and these deep cuts do allow the economy of Alaska to grow, that would also be interesting to learn. Previous recent experiments in this approach, particularly Kansas', don't seem to encourage much hope. But I'd be a fool to believe that you can take budgetary changes and trailing economic results in isolation. The system is far more complicated than that.
Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline
#3This feels really short sighted, all for an increased annual payout to residents that won't cover the cost of sending students to higher education.
Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline
#4Perhaps this makes me a terrible person, but I sometimes half hope to see things like this go through. The people of Alaska asked for this, and it will be interesting to see if they like getting what they asked for. The main reason it's only "half-hope" rather than fully hoping is that the damage from this will still affect people who didn't vote in favor of it. Those kids at the university deserve a better education…
> The people of Alaska asked for this
Well, kind of. I know this is more of a meta-question about government and democracy, etc., but this was a unilateral action by one elected official:
> Gov. Mike J. Dunleavy shocked the state last month by using a veto to cut much deeper, taking away $130 million more from the system that gave him his master’s degree.
Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline
#5Perhaps this makes me a terrible person, but I sometimes half hope to see things like this go through. The people of Alaska asked for this, and it will be interesting to see if they like getting what they asked for. The main reason it's only "half-hope" rather than fully hoping is that the damage from this will still affect people who didn't vote in favor of it. Those kids at the university deserve a better education…
> The people of Alaska asked for this Well, kind of. I know this is more of a meta-question about government and democracy, etc., but this was a unilateral action by one elected official: > Gov. Mike J. Dunleavy shocked the state last month by using a veto to cut much deeper, taking away $130 million more from the system that gave him his master’s degree.
If you vote for a budget hawk, he wins, and then he does budget hawk things, in my book, that's getting what you asked for. It's true that you don't get to choose the exact shape of what you are getting, but you do get to choose the general direction. The people know or should know that, and vote accordingly.
It would be different if, for example, they voted for a tax and spend Democrat and then, when elected, that official had made deep budget and tax cuts.
Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline
#6Perhaps this makes me a terrible person, but I sometimes half hope to see things like this go through. The people of Alaska asked for this, and it will be interesting to see if they like getting what they asked for. The main reason it's only "half-hope" rather than fully hoping is that the damage from this will still affect people who didn't vote in favor of it. Those kids at the university deserve a better education…
> The people of Alaska asked for this Well, kind of. I know this is more of a meta-question about government and democracy, etc., but this was a unilateral action by one elected official: > Gov. Mike J. Dunleavy shocked the state last month by using a veto to cut much deeper, taking away $130 million more from the system that gave him his master’s degree.
They elected him based on his promise to massively increase their dividend payments, major cuts were baked in from the beginning.
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#7Perhaps this makes me a terrible person, but I sometimes half hope to see things like this go through. The people of Alaska asked for this, and it will be interesting to see if they like getting what they asked for. The main reason it's only "half-hope" rather than fully hoping is that the damage from this will still affect people who didn't vote in favor of it. Those kids at the university deserve a better education…
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Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline
#8Perhaps this makes me a terrible person, but I sometimes half hope to see things like this go through. The people of Alaska asked for this, and it will be interesting to see if they like getting what they asked for. The main reason it's only "half-hope" rather than fully hoping is that the damage from this will still affect people who didn't vote in favor of it. Those kids at the university deserve a better education…
On problem with saying “that red state asked for it; let them see how they like it when their kids are starving on the streets (since they will also vote against welfare)” is that the US counts votes in a way that means, as more people flee your conservative hell-hole to find work, the remaining people’s votes count more and more.
Demographic projections say that the senate will be controlled by Make no mistake about it, western democracy (and our economy / way of life) is under attack by an increasingly fringe minority.
Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The people of Alaska asked for this Well, kind of. I know this is more of a meta-question about government and democracy, etc., but this was a unilateral action by one elected official: > Gov. Mike J. Dunleavy shocked the state last month by using a veto to cut much deeper, taking away $130 million more from the system that gave him his master’s degree.
If you vote for a budget hawk, he wins, and then he does budget hawk things, in my book, that's getting what you asked for. It's true that you don't get to choose the exact shape of what you are getting, but you do get to choose the general direction. The people know or should know that, and vote accordingly. It would be different if, for example, they voted for a tax and spend Democrat and then, when elected, that o…
There's "budget hawk things" and there's "burning down the university to make a point." He was offered deep cuts by the University itself: "Mr. Johnsen, fearing that the governor might not stomach the Legislature’s plan, met with Mr. Dunleavy in late May and quietly provided him with a written plan that he regarded as a drastic alternative: A $49 million reduction spread over several years, with significant cuts to personnel and “a reduced capacity to serve our students and our state.”"
This was much more than the legislature passed and budget-hawkish enough for him to claim victory. Instead he just went nuclear and zeroed out $130 million with no warning. That's beyond ordinary budget hawkery and into batshit land.
Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline
#10Perhaps this makes me a terrible person, but I sometimes half hope to see things like this go through. The people of Alaska asked for this, and it will be interesting to see if they like getting what they asked for. The main reason it's only "half-hope" rather than fully hoping is that the damage from this will still affect people who didn't vote in favor of it. Those kids at the university deserve a better education…
Whether or not this is a good strategy depends on how much damage will be caused and whether the subject is likely to actually make the connection between their choice and the harm it caused.
A parenting analogy may be in order. Once I stopped my then 2yr old from walking over some broken glass, to her loud objection. It would have been stupid to allow even such impermanent injuries as bloody cuts on her feet in order to "teach her a lesson" that she would not actually have learned.
In today’s economy, selling your university system for scrap is a horribly damaging move even for a well-populated state with a diverse economy. In Alaska it could be fatal.