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Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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Post by gesticulator »

Dr. Pielke’s credentials are a BS in Mathematics and a Ph.D. in Political Science. Regardless of what you think of his points, he presents himself very much as a climate scientist in these slides, yet I don’t think that he really is one. There may be more to this than just some ties to Wikileaks, does any one else that studies the climate take him seriously?

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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Post by jackpirate »

gesticulator wrote: post #4

Dr. Pielke’s credentials are a BS in Mathematics and a Ph.D. in Political Science. Regardless of what you think of his points, he presents himself very much as a climate scientist in these slides, yet I don’t think that he really is one. There may be more to this than just some ties to Wikileaks, does any one else that studies the climate take him seriously?

I think he fairly represent his credentials. Looking at his list of publications [1], he has several publications in venues like Climate Change, Weather Forecast, and the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society. Most of his work is clearly on climate policy (including publications in Nature and Science on policy), however, and not strictly climate science.

[1] https://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/publications/searchResult...

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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Post by gesticulator »

jackpirate wrote: post #5
gesticulator wrote: post #4

Dr. Pielke’s credentials are a BS in Mathematics and a Ph.D. in Political Science. Regardless of what you think of his points, he presents himself very much as a climate scientist in these slides, yet I don’t think that he really is one. There may be more to this than just some ties to Wikileaks, does any one else that studies the climate take him seriously?

I think he fairly represent his credentials. Looking at his list of publications [1], he has several publications in venues like Climate Change , Weather Forecast , and the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society . Most of his work is clearly on climate policy (including publications in Nature and Science on policy), however, and not strictly climate science. [1] https://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/publication…

Fair enough! I was not familiar with his background, and found him more partisan than the innocent kid studying the effects of the climate on hurricanes after googling :)

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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Post by pacala »

bjourne wrote: post #7

That is just one side of the argument. For the other side, see https://skepticalscience.com/drought-and-climate-change-hold... and https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=462 .

The side Roger Pielke Jr. argues for being concluded on slide 67:

> So after this massive thread we come to the conclusions.

> Have disasters become more costly because of human-caused climate change?

> The answer is clear: No

> It's not a welcome conclusion in some powerful circles. But it is what the science says.

[0] https://mobile.twitter.com/RogerPielkeJr/status/987339314806...

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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Post by User23 »

gesticulator wrote: post #4

Dr. Pielke’s credentials are a BS in Mathematics and a Ph.D. in Political Science. Regardless of what you think of his points, he presents himself very much as a climate scientist in these slides, yet I don’t think that he really is one. There may be more to this than just some ties to Wikileaks, does any one else that studies the climate take him seriously?

Credentialism is one of the worst forms of intellectual laziness. Judge a person's ideas by their quality, not the piece of paper some institution saw fit to sign.

Re: Extreme weather and extreme politics (2018)

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Post by stevenwoo »

gesticulator wrote: post #4

Dr. Pielke’s credentials are a BS in Mathematics and a Ph.D. in Political Science. Regardless of what you think of his points, he presents himself very much as a climate scientist in these slides, yet I don’t think that he really is one. There may be more to this than just some ties to Wikileaks, does any one else that studies the climate take him seriously?

IIRC Jeff Sessions, former GOP senator and not a scientist, quoted him extensively for congressional hearings for climate skeptics' point of view to oppose the US government panel on climate change. He complains here on twitter about extreme politics so that should make politics fair game in the discussion here - but isn't climate change denial only seriously brought up in the USA/UK by conservatives and fossil fuel company representatives (same thing a lot of the time)?
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