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Ask YC: Competitor flying under us...

#1
DISCLAIMER: This is kinda long, but if you take the time to read it I will buy you a karma lollipop.

I remember distinctly reading one of PG's maxims: Never let anybody fly underneath you. And we never have.

We are a low cost provider of a hotly demanded product that appeals to public/overnment clients. These particular entities usually pay anywhere between $100K and $20M to have this type of system installed, and can pay ongoing fees anywhere from $500 a month to $500K a year, depending on the size of the organization being outfitted. Suffice it to say that there is a huge market for this product...many many of these organizations all dying to have the product. We have done well with well over $500K in revenue in There are about 6 competitors in the space now. 2 of them are the rolls royce variety -- they don't do any contracts under $1M, have several contracts over $30M, and are public companies or owned by public companies.....they do big government only where the big federal money is, no smaller fish. We aren't really big enough to compete with these fish right now which is fine...we're hot on their tail right now and are very close to taking business away from them.

Two of them are in the middle....been around for 4-5 years, dabble in both big government and small government, both products fairly lackluster and way overpriced. Nonetheless, they are much cheaper than the rolls royces, so they have a smattering of clients that went with them for lack of better option over the years. We have consistently kicked the crap out of them multiple times; neither has ever beat us since we entered the market. We are way beyond them in features and way under them in price, and their customers hate them and call us all the time to switch. Lets call them the Mercedes of the world. They are the least threatening of the bunch.

The last two are "startups" and I use the term loosely. One of these startups scored several "prestigious" contracts before we were around, with a reallllly limited product. They were a little less than the Mercedes variety in price, but IMHO distinctly inferior in features to the Mercedes offering, which was distinctly inferior compared to us. We have had no problem beating them, but occasionally they good a get looking over because they're cheap(er) than Mercedes, but still way more than us.

Now to the issue at hand: the last startup. In this case we have a cornered animal. One man show, has one really small client and is barely a larvae. We knew about him, but never expected to have to take him seriously, because other clients never did and the government rarely goes with early stage startups for anything. The product is really obviously homemade, has zero features other than what we consider the one, basic, bare minimum feature of the product space.

We are at least a third of the way to closing up a large string of smaller government agencies that are associated with each other....we have 3 of them and there are only a few more left. One of the entities in this group is different from all the others in that they draw their funding from an atypical source and are a really ramshackle operation. They are extremely price sensitive. Their folks really love our system, and are totally sold. One thing though: they draw their funding from another department that doesn't give a crap about features, track record, quality or anything, only price. This department also doesn't have to deal with consequences of an inferior system -- they are really just Mom and Dad writing a check for junior to go play with, and are limiting him severely in his allowance. We gave them our standard pricing (which has little margin) and they welched and said semi-finally they are going with the little guy. There are HUGE risks with this because he is remote to them and we are local, and this is an on-site support type of product. We are also universes away in features and they know and are not happy about it. They are aware and objecting to the funding folks, but the funding department just doesn't care. They seem to have come about 75% of the way to a decision to not go with us.

So the dilemma is this: I can meet their price with little margin, and it's not a big deal, we'll still make money on the up-front but we'll make a lot less than usual on ongoing (not a problem). However, considering how closely associated potential clients X Y and Z are to this client, who are also very close to closing a deal, they might enforce the lowest available pricing on us later in the game due to us giving in on this one and really screw us. I don't think our friend the competitor has a prayer at matching us on features to X Y and Z (who are better funded and more demanding), but considering we might give this client steeply discounted pricing to beat the little guy, they might require it from us. If we don't though, it might give Junior just enough cash flow and exposure to not die, which we sure don't want to happen.

So, what to do! Ask follow up questions and I will try to answer.

Re: Ask YC: Competitor flying under us...

#2
Can you easily downsize your product to where it's substantially less than what X, Y, and Z will want, but more than what one-man Joe is offering? This would also give you the possible future opportunity of selling more features as add-ons.

Re: Ask YC: Competitor flying under us...

#3
post #2

Can you easily downsize your product to where it's substantially less than what X, Y, and Z will want, but more than what one-man Joe is offering? This would also give you the possible future opportunity of selling more features as add-ons.

We are looking into a different product line that has reduced features for a different type of application in the same vein, but when that option was posed to our decision maker he said he wanted all our functionality and wasn't too interested in a stripped down product....

Re: Ask YC: Competitor flying under us...

#4
Let this deal go. The company, I was working earlier, had a habit of signing on every customer that knocked their door. In the long run, it created a lot of problems to support those customers (at a very low margin or at a loss), just to maintain the reputation of "not leaving the customers cold" in the marketplace.

Letting this deal go, might also send a strong message to X, Y, Z potential customers, that you are offering much more than the cheapest solution and are willing to walk away.

Re: Ask YC: Competitor flying under us...

#5
post #4

Let this deal go. The company, I was working earlier, had a habit of signing on every customer that knocked their door. In the long run, it created a lot of problems to support those customers (at a very low margin or at a loss), just to maintain the reputation of "not leaving the customers cold" in the marketplace. Letting this deal go, might also send a strong message to X, Y, Z potential customers, that you are of…

Sage advice.

If you do decide to pursue this deal try and take the hit on the upfront and not the ongoings.

Re: Ask YC: Competitor flying under us...

#6
Perhaps you could lower the initial price, raise the support contact cost, and add a sunset clause. This may appeal to those in charge of funding (who you mention are absent anyway) by shifting dollars around. More diligent clients would see this is not necessarily an attractive alternative and opt for your more traditional pricing model.

Re: Ask YC: Competitor flying under us...

#7
post #4

Let this deal go. The company, I was working earlier, had a habit of signing on every customer that knocked their door. In the long run, it created a lot of problems to support those customers (at a very low margin or at a loss), just to maintain the reputation of "not leaving the customers cold" in the marketplace. Letting this deal go, might also send a strong message to X, Y, Z potential customers, that you are of…

Agreed, customers who agonize over price are generally trouble down the road.

Re: Ask YC: Competitor flying under us...

#8
You're reading way too much into one piece of advice. The whole "eating from the bottom" thing is a time honored tradition in the computer industry. IBM mainframes were eaten from the bottom by Digital systems, which were eaten from the bottom by Data General mini-computers, which were eaten from the bottom by PCs, which will be eaten from the bottom by mobile devices.

But, your problem is not a paradigm shift that alters the competitive landscape. Your problem is a competitor with unsustainable pricing. Don't play that game. It's foolish and you'll lose more customers than you win by playing it. You'll also dig yourself an early grave (figuratively, and possibly literally, if you take your business too seriously).

Ignore your foolish competitor. Build better products, charge the right price for them (you may still be too cheap), and keep working. The low-priced competitor will continue to lowball his bids, and will eventually get a reputation for under-serving and over-promising. In a year or two, you'll have a chance to re-bid the same customers you lose this year. And the customer won't be so interested in getting the product cheaply.

Re: Ask YC: Competitor flying under us...

#9
post #2

Can you easily downsize your product to where it's substantially less than what X, Y, and Z will want, but more than what one-man Joe is offering? This would also give you the possible future opportunity of selling more features as add-ons.

We are looking into a different product line that has reduced features for a different type of application in the same vein, but when that option was posed to our decision maker he said he wanted all our functionality and wasn't too interested in a stripped down product....

I bet he'd also like a pony, and Christmas twice a year.
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