IPFS, Again

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Post by unicornporn » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 8:18 AM UTC

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by Karrot_Kream » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 5:34 AM UTC

Unfortunately, a lot of the problems in this blog post can only be solved by squaring Zooko's Triangle[1]. Most refutations of Zooko's Triangle depend on some form of blockchain.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by janandonly » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 5:35 AM UTC

Who is going to defend the free internet agains Azure, AWS and Google Cloud? They are the very opposite of a free and open internet where everyone can "run a website" on her own machine.

It pains me to see a great idea like the Interplanetary File System still not working. I had similar experiences with IPFS and yes, we do need a project like this, only without the broken incentive structure attached to it. Why a "Filecoin"? We already have a tested and working native internet currency: bitcoin.

I've long believed that a browser itself should evolve to be both viewing visited websites but also to host said website for an x number of minutes/hour/days. A bit like webTorrent aims to work. This way a website that gets visitors gets decentralised hosters as well :-)

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by PureParadigm » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 5:40 AM UTC

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #2

Unfortunately, a lot of the problems in this blog post can only be solved by squaring Zooko's Triangle[1]. Most refutations of Zooko's Triangle depend on some form of blockchain. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle

Just to give an example of a blockchain approach to this: Ethereum Name Service [1].

1. https://ens.domains/

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by spir » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 5:42 AM UTC

IPFS is providing some value already for blockchain dapps to deploy UIs, albeit currently with a dependency on centralized ipfs gateways.

Eg. https://augur.net/ipfs-redirect.html

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by quickthrower2 » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 5:43 AM UTC

janandonly wrote: post #3

Who is going to defend the free internet agains Azure, AWS and Google Cloud? They are the very opposite of a free and open internet where everyone can "run a website" on her own machine. It pains me to see a great idea like the Interplanetary File System still not working. I had similar experiences with IPFS and yes, we do need a project like this, only without the broken incentive structure attached to it. Why a "Fi…

The middle ground might be to use a local hosting company that has it's own servers and racks. Pay a bit more, but boycott the big clouds for personal websites. You could probably host a few dozen static blogs on a physical machine for say $100/m. If 100 people do that it's affordable.

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by darthreid » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 5:48 AM UTC

janandonly wrote: post #3

Who is going to defend the free internet agains Azure, AWS and Google Cloud? They are the very opposite of a free and open internet where everyone can "run a website" on her own machine. It pains me to see a great idea like the Interplanetary File System still not working. I had similar experiences with IPFS and yes, we do need a project like this, only without the broken incentive structure attached to it. Why a "Fi…

Sadly a lot of the mechanisms behind bitcoin make for it to be difficult to use in a vast transaction setting (millions/sec, similar to credit cards), which would be required for using its blockchain for proof of work purposes.

That’s why alternatives exist in order to solve these “problems” that the BTC community either choose not to fix or simply won’t. It’ll be interesting to see what crypto people would intend to use for something like IPFS.

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by codingslave » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 5:56 AM UTC

This might sound a bit weird, but when I look at the employee base of protocol labs (the makers of IPFS), the most impressive employees are the business people. Multiple Harvard Business School graduates, tons of Stanford degrees. For the technical people, some are impressive, but no where near the stature of the business people. No distinguished ex-FAANG engineers, no principal engineers from notable companies, a few top STEM PHDs (Not cs), but lots of obscure developers. This isn't to dig on them, but with the kind of money that company has, and the level of technical complexity they are trying to solve...why don't they have better engineers?

EDIT: Not looking to argue about whether leetcode filters for good programmers.

EDIT 2: Self taught developers at random companies can be amazing, but for a company "evolving the web" and 300 Million in the bank, they have hired almost no nationally recognized experts, and theyre greater developer base is not made up of people with 20 years experience. But rather a bunch of developers who have been coding for 2-4 years.

Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:02 AM UTC

janandonly wrote: post #3

Who is going to defend the free internet agains Azure, AWS and Google Cloud? They are the very opposite of a free and open internet where everyone can "run a website" on her own machine. It pains me to see a great idea like the Interplanetary File System still not working. I had similar experiences with IPFS and yes, we do need a project like this, only without the broken incentive structure attached to it. Why a "Fi…

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Re: IPFS, Again

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Post by CGamesPlay » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 6:03 AM UTC

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #2

Unfortunately, a lot of the problems in this blog post can only be solved by squaring Zooko's Triangle[1]. Most refutations of Zooko's Triangle depend on some form of blockchain. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle

It seems like only one problem from that blog post can be solved by that. The rest of the usability and performance issues are solved by acknowledging a need followed by a focused development effort.