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Open Up vs. Break Up

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Re: Open Up vs. Break Up

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Post by topkai22 »

1) Wait, does DuckDuckGo use Bing’s search index?

2) A good solution would do both- open up the underlying data while breaking up the various ad sales businesses. A great example is YouTube- YouTube should not be able to single handedly demonetize videos- creators should be able to opt in to alternative ad networks so long as they aren’t violating the TOS, keeping Tuba instructional videos in the black (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/04/youtube-demonetized-m...)

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Post by guyzero »

topkai22 wrote: post #2

1) Wait, does DuckDuckGo use Bing’s search index? 2) A good solution would do both- open up the underlying data while breaking up the various ad sales businesses. A great example is YouTube- YouTube should not be able to single handedly demonetize videos- creators should be able to opt in to alternative ad networks so long as they aren’t violating the TOS, keeping Tuba instructional videos in the black ( https://arst…

Yeah, I love how he basically admits in public that DDG is just a skin on Bing.

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Post by AlphaSite »

This is the model the UK followed when dealing with BTs natural monopoly on phone lines. Openreach owns and is obligated to maintain service to every home in the country and all providers compete to build differentiated services atop the physical hardware.

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Post by syshum »

aychedee wrote: post #3

Isn't this ignoring the more obvious solution? Why not nationalise them? The value of these networks is in the users. Not the companies themselves.

Nationalizing them is neither obvious nor a solution.

Nationalizing them would make any problems, real or perceived, 100x worse.

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Post by dluan »

This is so uncreative. Besides conveniently forgetting how Twitter starved out its third party apps with breaking API changes, and Amazon's similar strong arming of smaller vendors and services, he doesn't seem to understand why that is bad.

Breaking up a company is to address a singular problem - that there are too many interests being held under one roof. By breaking up, you are addressing a need for broader governance and ownership that "opening up" doesn't allow for. Let Whole Foods sell groceries, and let Twitch stream games.

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Post by beebmam »

topkai22 wrote: post #2

1) Wait, does DuckDuckGo use Bing’s search index? 2) A good solution would do both- open up the underlying data while breaking up the various ad sales businesses. A great example is YouTube- YouTube should not be able to single handedly demonetize videos- creators should be able to opt in to alternative ad networks so long as they aren’t violating the TOS, keeping Tuba instructional videos in the black ( https://arst…

In my humble opinion, I think the "monetization" of youtube videos has produced a marketplace of clickbait and extreme content.

I'd like to roll back the clock to when youtube itself took all (or at least most) of its advertising income from its users' videos.

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

topkai22 wrote: post #2

1) Wait, does DuckDuckGo use Bing’s search index? 2) A good solution would do both- open up the underlying data while breaking up the various ad sales businesses. A great example is YouTube- YouTube should not be able to single handedly demonetize videos- creators should be able to opt in to alternative ad networks so long as they aren’t violating the TOS, keeping Tuba instructional videos in the black ( https://arst…

DDG's statement on their sources is that they have over 400: https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/?redir=1

But that is largely with respect to "answers" type responses, which they are not lifting from Bing. Search results come from partners "including" Oath/Yahoo and Bing. And I think Yahoo uses Bing. But I know that DDG uses Yandex sometimes as well, so there's probably a handful of potential sources they draw from for search.

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