Hackers News Is a Toxic Place
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#2"At this point HN is no different than 4chan." -gim
When people spout utter nonsense like this, I fear there's no reasoning with them.
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#3Read the comments. They highlight HN's underhanded censorship of people. HN is more than toxic, it is an American site run by un-American people with un-American ideals.
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#4"At this point HN is no different than 4chan." -gim When people spout utter nonsense like this, I fear there's no reasoning with them.
Yea, there is one difference between here and 4chan. 4Chan is less likely to curb your freedom of speech. Sad that a site now owned by the Japanese promotes American Constitutional Freedoms more than an actual American-owned site.
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#5>Hacker News is a toxic place, but not because of all the people who make it hard for under-represented folks. But because of all the "good dudes" who act like it's not a toxic place.
Wow, the bad people are bad AND the good people are bad!
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#6It’s not binary. People and forums can be fine sometimes, toxic sometimes. The question is what happens when things go wrong. Is there a way to recover? Is there enough concern and empathy to actually move forward from a possible hurtful incident? Or do we burn it all down and stop talking. We need more nuance in our lives, more willingness to actually engage, listen and change.
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#7"At this point HN is no different than 4chan." -gim When people spout utter nonsense like this, I fear there's no reasoning with them.
1 - i agree with that sentiment
2 - your comment is exactly why.
Let me explain, first you express your opinion as a matter of fact. Their opinion is nonsense? Why not pose a question as to why one may think that? Consider the culture of 4chans various boards and some of the herd mentality you see on hn.
I can tangibly see on a daily basis trite comments which add nothing of value be upvoted because it expresses commonly held approved opinions (ie. Anti amazon comments or issues with nimbys in sf)
However someone echo a concern about the importance of us military intelligence infrastructure by virtue of supporting msft contracts with the us military, someone is downvoted as a warmonger with little discussion.
The shitposts are real randy
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#8Can HN be toxic? Absolutely.
Was it toxic in the situation the author was describing? I think reasonable people can have a discussion about this, but for arguments sake let’s say yes.
Is HN generally a positive non toxic environment? Yep! Hugely so.
HN is a remarkably diverse community. Perhaps not always from a gender perspective, but definitely in terms of background and means. I can personally attest to this as I run a mentoring program, and I tend to mostly get sign ups from HN, and they have been from all over the world.
I get that we as a community aren’t always perfect. Sometimes that’s rooted in our own biases and backgrounds. However, those comments lead to discussion, which may shape or alter the perspective of someone who had a different set of experiences, thus leading to a better future. Growth comes from points of discomfort, not from sitting on the side lines.
If I could ask one thing to every HN lurker and commenter is to continue to be open minded. Ask questions. Be thoughtful. Be respectful. Continually seek to grow.
We’re always going to be imperfect as a community, and that’s by design. All we can hope to do is be better today than we were yesterday. And better tomorrow than we were today.
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#9Every place is a toxic place.
More specifically, every place has toxic people.
It is your responsibility as a citizen of that community to speak up (either in the form of a flag or hiding that person) if you see content that is objectionable, off-topic, or offensive.
We will never rid the world of bad people. But we can choose to prevent their voices from echoing any louder.
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#10"At this point HN is no different than 4chan." -gim When people spout utter nonsense like this, I fear there's no reasoning with them.
1 - i agree with that sentiment 2 - your comment is exactly why. Let me explain, first you express your opinion as a matter of fact. Their opinion is nonsense? Why not pose a question as to why one may think that? Consider the culture of 4chans various boards and some of the herd mentality you see on hn. I can tangibly see on a daily basis trite comments which add nothing of value be upvoted because it expresses comm…
To claim that Hacker News "is no different than 4chan", a site where one can routinely find the most vile posts of racism, violence, child pornography and so on is utter nonsense, and that is a fact, not merely my opinion.