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Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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The current BBC headline is "Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes", which is a better summary of the situation.

For a variety of reasons (legal, procedural, and political) MPs can't simply resolve to reject Brexit, and didn't do so today. What they can do is reject the exit deal that May has negotiated.

Some of them have voted to do this because they want a 'softer' Brexit with a closer ongoing relationship with the EU, or no Brexit at all. Others because they think the deal is insufficiently 'hard', as it envisages some kind of ongoing relationship and they'd rather see a clean break and then deal with the consequences.

The upshot is that we leave at the end of the month with no deal unless something happens, there's currently no majority in Parliament for any of the options, and we look like international idiots.

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Why do politicians always seem so uncivilized to me?

Both sides of an argument always argue as if they believe the other side is stupid and they know for sure they are right.

That is the biggest stupidity in itself.

Why are there no politicians that spend their time on trying to understand the other side, rather then shouting out their own message? Those would be the ones I would vote. But they simply do not exist.

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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I've said this before so I'll ask this again- I'm an American and I'm entirely ignorant on UK politics. I've followed the headlines and I am still confused why Brexit is happening. It seems no one wants Brexit as it has been suggested by the political leadership of UK, and the majority want to avoid no deal at all.

I do not understand why not call the entire Brexit thing off; why is that political suicide?

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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post #4

The current BBC headline is "Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes", which is a better summary of the situation. For a variety of reasons (legal, procedural, and political) MPs can't simply resolve to reject Brexit, and didn't do so today. What they can do is reject the exit deal that May has negotiated. Some of them have voted to do this because they want a 'softer' Brexit with a closer ongoing relation…

Do you personally think that the UK will actually end up leaving the EU in 10 days? If yes, what are the chances of that happening?

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Why do politicians always seem so uncivilized to me? Both sides of an argument always argue as if they believe the other side is stupid and they know for sure they are right. That is the biggest stupidity in itself. Why are there no politicians that spend their time on trying to understand the other side, rather then shouting out their own message? Those would be the ones I would vote. But they simply do not exist.

Yeah I despair at this too. One problem a sensible moderate person who can work with people doesn't generate headlines, which means no one knows about them and no one votes for them.

You get someone who "fights for what is right", "takes a stand" and "doesn't back down" you'll get well known and people will vote for you.

Sad state of affairs, I dont know what to do to change it.

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