Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbon payment from Norway
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#2> In 2010, Norway pledged to support Indonesia with up to 1 billion USD depending on results.
It's easy to sit in a developed western country, buying products from other countries, and then complain about their emissions. I'm glad that we're trying to be responsible. It may not be enough or not the right way to do it (some thoughts on this?), but it's something.
Re: Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbon payment from Norway
#3Indonesia has been doing better with the enviroment in recent years, probably thanks to international pressure and incentives such as this. Anything which maintains Indonesia's biodiversity is good to see.
Re: Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbon payment from Norway
#4> In 2010, Norway pledged to support Indonesia with up to 1 billion USD depending on results. It's easy to sit in a developed western country, buying products from other countries, and then complain about their emissions. I'm glad that we're trying to be responsible. It may not be enough or not the right way to do it (some thoughts on this?), but it's something.
This is exactly what most Westerners do not get about China. If you want to reduce emissions stop buying their products.
Re: Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbon payment from Norway
#5> In 2010, Norway pledged to support Indonesia with up to 1 billion USD depending on results. It's easy to sit in a developed western country, buying products from other countries, and then complain about their emissions. I'm glad that we're trying to be responsible. It may not be enough or not the right way to do it (some thoughts on this?), but it's something.
This is exactly what most Westerners do not get about China. If you want to reduce emissions stop buying their products.
And buy products from where instead?
Is everything made in China uniformally disastrous for the environment?
I was under the impression the easiest way for people, who live in developed nations, to reduce emissions is to eat less meat?
Re: Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbon payment from Norway
#6Looks like a great way to incitive developing countries to reduce their emissions. Although when the developing countries' tax payer start complaining, it's going to be hard to defend these expenditures.
Re: Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbon payment from Norway
#7It's a start, though obviously if we want to be serious about deforestation we need much more of this.
A somewhat similar initiative regarding the Yasuni rainforest in Equador unfortunately went nowhere a couple of years ago because rich countries weren't willing enough to pay.
Re: Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbon payment from Norway
#8> In 2010, Norway pledged to support Indonesia with up to 1 billion USD depending on results. It's easy to sit in a developed western country, buying products from other countries, and then complain about their emissions. I'm glad that we're trying to be responsible. It may not be enough or not the right way to do it (some thoughts on this?), but it's something.
This is exactly what most Westerners do not get about China. If you want to reduce emissions stop buying their products.
Totally ineffective and counterproductive.
Doing what you suggest would not necessarily have any impact on emissions (as they might just shift to another country) while ensuring that 1.3 billion people remain poor and that their country remains undeveloped.
Far better to impose strict requirements on production methods. But if that is more expensive there should also be financial help available to countries that may not afford it.
Re: Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbon payment from Norway
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is exactly what most Westerners do not get about China. If you want to reduce emissions stop buying their products.
And buy products from where instead? Is everything made in China uniformally disastrous for the environment? I was under the impression the easiest way for people, who live in developed nations, to reduce emissions is to eat less meat?
It's less beef, specifically. On a practical level cutting out meat entirely can actually increase emissions because you can raise farm animals off of human inedible parts of plants like stems and other marginal food (i.e. parts we don't get any nutrition from).
Beef however is one of the worst conversion methods in this regard, but animals like chickens and goats are quite efficient.
Re: Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbon payment from Norway
#10> In 2010, Norway pledged to support Indonesia with up to 1 billion USD depending on results. It's easy to sit in a developed western country, buying products from other countries, and then complain about their emissions. I'm glad that we're trying to be responsible. It may not be enough or not the right way to do it (some thoughts on this?), but it's something.
This is exactly what most Westerners do not get about China. If you want to reduce emissions stop buying their products.
China is the sole producer of certain electronic components, this is not viable at present.
Granted if you really really want to reduce your personal emissions, stop using technology from post-1950, maybe buy some land...