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Re: Microbiome interactions shape host fitness

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Its an interesting article in that it is looking at fitness (of fruit-flies, the model system used in the study), not lifespan alone.

Going in, I was expecting all of these interactions would be like the GWAS (genome wide association studies) interactions. I was expecting maybe single digit (max) percentage changes in the overall fitness / lifespan / etc.

But, if I understand the article correctly [1], different combinations of gut bacteria drove variations in lifespan by up to ~20% (which is a HUGE shift), which makes me a little skeptical.

All in all, a fascinating, if very unclear study.

They are very interesting correlations, but mapping the cause-consequence relationship is probably one of the biggest challenges in modern biological research; in this context & diseases like (many) cancers. In an ideal world, we really would like to have that degree of understanding to be able to develop effective, targeted cures (the holy grail of modern medicine?)

Finally, there's a lot of 'buzz' around microbiomes / microbiomics etc, etc. But I think one needs to be cautious in interpreting these results. This twitter thread [2], on an article / paper claiming modulation of schizophrenia by gut microbiome, is an articulate criticism(IMO) of such a claim.

In general (not the fly paper referred to in [1]), I think a significant fraction of microbiome / trait association studies, as exemplified by the schizophrenia study discussed in [2], are just throwing stuff up & seeing what sticks; and they are.. perhaps not the most rigorous of ways of doing science..

Finally, a slightly older, but still good article in NY Times that discusses some of the issues around the hype, etc. [3]

[1] https://www.pnas.org/content/115/51/E11951

[2] https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1095012297200844800.html

[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/upshot/exciting-microbe-r...

[multiple edits to improve readability :~]

Re: Microbiome interactions shape host fitness

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I was trying to research the best probiotic to start taking (for humans not fruit flies) and I became totally bewildered... any recommendations or research from hacker news welcome!

Why not yogurt/buttermilk? It was recommended to me though I dislike both and have never taken them in my life. But I suffer from chronic mouth ulcers and most doctors I consulted say it is because I avoid natural probiotics found in yogurt etc...

Re: Microbiome interactions shape host fitness

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post #6

Its an interesting article in that it is looking at fitness (of fruit-flies, the model system used in the study), not lifespan alone. Going in, I was expecting all of these interactions would be like the GWAS (genome wide association studies) interactions. I was expecting maybe single digit (max) percentage changes in the overall fitness / lifespan / etc. But, if I understand the article correctly [1], different comb…

>But, if I understand the article correctly [1], different combinations of gut bacteria drove variations in lifespan by up to ~20% (which is a HUGE shift), which makes me a little skeptical.

just one example - [wrong makeup of] gut bacteria association with type 2 diabetes in humans (there are a bunch of studies like this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4880177/ ). Diabetes would cause lifespan variations on the scale of those 20% easily. Beside diabetes there are other similarly well pronounced/acute/severe effects as well as less pronounced "chronic" style effects and thus 20% may easily be on the lower side.

Re: Microbiome interactions shape host fitness

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I was trying to research the best probiotic to start taking (for humans not fruit flies) and I became totally bewildered... any recommendations or research from hacker news welcome!

Pick one with a long list of lactobacilli.

Probably the most important thing you can do for your microbiome is eat enough fibre. Eats some beans and some carrots. Cut back on the high fructose corn syrup and save antibiotics as a last resort.

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