JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
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JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
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#2I was really hoping for a GraphQL API standard for mail before reading this. But this sounds good too.
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#3I really want to see some innovation in the email space. The landscape is like a sea of false promises and dashed dreams. SMTP is one of the bread-and-butters of the internet, yet it just doesn't seem to be moving forward (maybe that's for the best), and no one's building extensions on top of it.
Maybe I'm naive in thinking it was possible but we could have avoided this whole "make an account on X messenger so we can talk", if someone had just jammed XMPP and SMTP together.
Every few years I'm tempted to try and write a SMTP server (MX) myself but then realize that postfix has been around so long and is the go to choice for a reason. I don't have 20 years of figuring out how X mail server interprets SMTP to be as reliable as postfix. I settled for trying to wrap it[0].
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#4The article mentions that JMAP does calendars as well. Anyone have a quick status update on how it compares to CalDav and if it's supported by any of the major calendar clients or servers? I did a quick google and looked at the JMAP site but couldn't find any info.
Background for this is that I implemented a calendar client and a calendar server (with SabreDAV) last year and I'm wondering if I should be adding support for JMAP anytime soon.
Re: JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
#5I really want to see some innovation in the email space. The landscape is like a sea of false promises and dashed dreams. SMTP is one of the bread-and-butters of the internet, yet it just doesn't seem to be moving forward (maybe that's for the best), and no one's building extensions on top of it. Maybe I'm naive in thinking it was possible but we could have avoided this whole "make an account on X messenger so we can…
"if someone had just jammed XMPP and SMTP together" - wasn't that kind of what Google Wave was aiming for?
Re: JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
#6I was really hoping for a GraphQL API standard for mail before reading this. But this sounds good too.
Reading through the JMAP website [0], I'm actually wondering whether whoever's behind JMAP has looked at GraphQL. There seem to be a lot of similarities (especially the "why not REST" section).
Re: JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
#7I recently thought about email being based on such an old standard and then I wondered if maybe it didn't matter anymore, because most of the web is moving to gmail, and my guess is (and somebody please correct me) that when I send an email from gmail to gmail, that no actual SMTP is involved? I'm assuming that they have some internal protocol that is just adapter'd to "Email" at the very end?
Re: JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
#8I was really hoping for a GraphQL API standard for mail before reading this. But this sounds good too.
Reading through the JMAP website [0], I'm actually wondering whether whoever's behind JMAP has looked at GraphQL. There seem to be a lot of similarities (especially the "why not REST" section). [0] https://jmap.io/index.html
I think Fastmail are the primary ones behind JMAP: https://fastmail.blog/2014/12/23/jmap-a-better-way-to-email/
Re: JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
#9The article mentions that JMAP does calendars as well. Anyone have a quick status update on how it compares to CalDav and if it's supported by any of the major calendar clients or servers? I did a quick google and looked at the JMAP site but couldn't find any info. Background for this is that I implemented a calendar client and a calendar server (with SabreDAV) last year and I'm wondering if I should be adding suppor…
Current state of calendaring is horrible, it's basically not possible right now to create compatible and reliable library/application.
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#10I recently thought about email being based on such an old standard and then I wondered if maybe it didn't matter anymore, because most of the web is moving to gmail, and my guess is (and somebody please correct me) that when I send an email from gmail to gmail, that no actual SMTP is involved? I'm assuming that they have some internal protocol that is just adapter'd to "Email" at the very end?
It fakes it, at the very least - you can do a “show original message” and see all the RFC.822 and mine headers.
Microsoft Exchange used to not bother with actually SMTPing when talking to another exchange server (or itself), I don’t know what it does these days.