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Most Money Advice Is Worthless When You’re Poor

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Vimes#Boots_theory_of_soci...

> The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

> Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

> But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

> This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.

Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms

Re: Most Money Advice Is Worthless When You’re Poor

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What a terrible article. Sure, yeah, you're poor, own it, give up. Go buy that fast food shit, get fat and damage your health. Buy all that alcohol that helps you get through life, that will definitely help. FFS.

No, you try, fail, try again, fail, try some more - to save up, and start making more. All that advice glosses over just how hard it actually is (not that it can even convey it properly), and it takes time, but you can't give up unless you're ready to kick the bucket at any time.

Re: Most Money Advice Is Worthless When You’re Poor

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Most advice on anything is useless if you're not the target audience.

If you're earning nothing and have no savings, you need crisis mode budgeting.

Think the financial equivalent of malnourishment - you don't want the regular food pyramid, you need an IV drip.

This doesn't actually change ever. The 'best course of action' changes at every level.

Poor people money advice is worthless to rich people too. Lower middle class advice on 'how to save for a home deposit' is completely useless to the wealthy.

Usain Bolt doesn't take advice from the guy running in the park either.

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A shoutout to https://www.reddit.com/r/povertyfinance/ as a community that is attempting to discuss and distill the kind of financial advice that is useful for those with little to no means.

> Much of the financial advice online and on reddit is aimed at people who have varying degrees of disposable income, ability to invest, lots of free time, available transportation, no kids, a partner, access to credit, and beyond. This is a place for people who do not have a lot, nor ideal circumstances, to help each other get by and hopefully move up in the world.

Re: Most Money Advice Is Worthless When You’re Poor

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post #3

What a terrible article. Sure, yeah, you're poor, own it, give up. Go buy that fast food shit, get fat and damage your health. Buy all that alcohol that helps you get through life, that will definitely help . FFS. No, you try, fail, try again, fail, try some more - to save up, and start making more. All that advice glosses over just how hard it actually is (not that it can even convey it properly), and it takes time,…

This advice seems pretty irrelevant. She just said that these people do not have any spare money to save up, but this advice is "save up".

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The real question here is if the author went to college and got a degree, why are they working in sandwich shops? I'm not saying there's not a reasonable explanation for their situation, but any discussion of their particular problem should start there. Obviously there are people who are doing the best they can in a sandwich shop, and those people may need better support than they're getting, but I don't think that's quite the case here.

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> The way I see it, being poor is like having cancer

What a terrible way to look at it, making it seem like it’s entirely out of your control and you need outside help just to survive. There’s many examples of people who have climbed out of poverty to middle class, even upper class. I highly doubt they’d spread the advice that being poor is a hopeless disease.

Re: Most Money Advice Is Worthless When You’re Poor

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Of course "don't by the avacado toast or lattes" doesn't help save you money when you aren't buying that stuff in the first place. Complaining that advice on Google that applies to the 15%-85% bracket doesn't apply to you is similar in saying that "Most health advice is worthless when you have cancer". You have a situation that is outside the norm, and you're trying to apply general information against that, of course it's not going to work.

Re: Most Money Advice Is Worthless When You’re Poor

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post #5

A shoutout to https://www.reddit.com/r/povertyfinance/ as a community that is attempting to discuss and distill the kind of financial advice that is useful for those with little to no means. > Much of the financial advice online and on reddit is aimed at people who have varying degrees of disposable income, ability to invest, lots of free time, available transportation, no kids, a partner, access to credit, and beyon…

Reddit is a crap place to go for advice if you're in a situation where all the options are sub-optimal because any advice that isn't 100% by the book ethical or any advice that puts a negative externality on society for personal benefit results in down-votes and name callings. Often times that means your "best" options are off the table. It is also very much against "low class" ways of saving money. Stuff like "just smash your old tube TV and throw the pieces in the household trash in order to save the $20 disposal fee" or is not exactly appreciated there. God forbid you tell somebody that they shouldn't buy snow tires. The internet in general is just shit when it comes to being frugal. It's really easy to tell someone else how to spend their money.

Edit: Anyone want to tell my why I'm apparently so wrong?

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