Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by kaboro » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 4:36 PM UTC

Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier
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Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by zapita » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:05 PM UTC

I’m an avid user of both docker compose and kubernetes/helm, and have been very frustrated by the lack of interoperability between them. This looks like it might get us there, which makes me very happy. Nice work Microsoft and Docker.

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Post by gabrtv » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:07 PM UTC

zapita wrote: post #2

I’m an avid user of both docker compose and kubernetes/helm, and have been very frustrated by the lack of interoperability between them. This looks like it might get us there, which makes me very happy. Nice work Microsoft and Docker.

Thanks! We're excited about the opportunity to align Compose and Helm with a standard packaging/distribution/management model. Same is true for other tooling like Terraform, Ansible, and cloud provider declarative APIs (Azure Resource Manager, etc).

Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by gabrtv » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:10 PM UTC

Gabe from Microsoft here. Happy to answer any questions. A few links to help you explore the spec and tooling:

- https://cnab.io

- https://duffle.sh/

- https://open.microsoft.com/2018/12/04/announcing-cnab-cloud-...

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Post by politician » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:19 PM UTC

gabrtv wrote: post #4

Gabe from Microsoft here. Happy to answer any questions. A few links to help you explore the spec and tooling: - https://cnab.io - https://duffle.sh/ - https://open.microsoft.com/2018/12/04/announcing-cnab-cloud-...

Are there plans to work with CNCF on this spec to gain a broader consensus?

EDIT: As a cloud systems architect, I view participation in CNCF as a positive signal.

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Post by gabrtv » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:24 PM UTC

politician wrote: post #5

gabrtv wrote: post #4

Gabe from Microsoft here. Happy to answer any questions. A few links to help you explore the spec and tooling: - https://cnab.io - https://duffle.sh/ - https://open.microsoft.com/2018/12/04/announcing-cnab-cloud-...

Are there plans to work with CNCF on this spec to gain a broader consensus? EDIT: As a cloud systems architect, I view participation in CNCF as a positive signal.

Yes. The intention has always been to put CNAB and related tooling into a foundation that offers vendor-neutral IP ownership. That could be CNCF, OCI, or something else.

Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by donmcronald » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:40 PM UTC

gabrtv wrote: post #4

Gabe from Microsoft here. Happy to answer any questions. A few links to help you explore the spec and tooling: - https://cnab.io - https://duffle.sh/ - https://open.microsoft.com/2018/12/04/announcing-cnab-cloud-...

I wonder if I'm misunderstanding. Why would I want install, uninstall, etc. type actions running in a Docker container? Isn't that going to encourage people to spin up production environments that aren't reproducible?

I'm not very familiar with Ansible, etc., so maybe tools like that have strategies for building deterministic environments, but I can see a lot of people putting `apt-get` or `yum` commands in an install script.

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Post by politician » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:44 PM UTC

gabrtv wrote: post #4

Gabe from Microsoft here. Happy to answer any questions. A few links to help you explore the spec and tooling: - https://cnab.io - https://duffle.sh/ - https://open.microsoft.com/2018/12/04/announcing-cnab-cloud-...

Do CNAB bundles support the ability to specify where parameter and credential details might be fetched from?

Currently, we provide developers with lab environments that wire together a small subset of containers under Docker compose for local development because running the full system is impractical. However, most of our lab environments may have important external dependencies (i.e. Slack, SMTP gateways, etc) that require configuration and often secrets.

One challenge of maintaining these lab environments is keeping these external configuration details up to date, so it would be helpful if the CNAB spec allowed configuration of this sort to be provided by an external provider similar to how Docker images themselves are expected to be provided by a container registry.

Have you anticipated this use case? If so, does CNAB have this type of support?

Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by throwaway981298 » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:45 PM UTC

gabrtv wrote: post #4

Gabe from Microsoft here. Happy to answer any questions. A few links to help you explore the spec and tooling: - https://cnab.io - https://duffle.sh/ - https://open.microsoft.com/2018/12/04/announcing-cnab-cloud-...

When are you going to buy Docker Inc?

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Post by ravedave5 » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:50 PM UTC

gabrtv wrote: post #4

Gabe from Microsoft here. Happy to answer any questions. A few links to help you explore the spec and tooling: - https://cnab.io - https://duffle.sh/ - https://open.microsoft.com/2018/12/04/announcing-cnab-cloud-...

I am one of those people who learn through examples. Do you have an example of using duffle for defining some sort of application? I work with this stuff and the websites are so abstract as to what it does and the spec is so low level...