Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
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Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#2Adblocking list should be what their name says: lists that match ads (and advertising-related trackers). There is no place in such a list for politically motivated blacklists.
Content based blacklists have their place too. Users are of course free to create hate-speech-block, union-block, trump-block, liberal-block, nazi-block or any-other-category-block, but if these lists are distributed through an adblocker they should be off by default and clearly labeled.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#3I found that for me a whitelist makes more sense then a blacklist.
I use umatrix with these two default rules:
* * * block
* 1st-party * allow
Then I add rules as needed. The Umatrix interface makes this super easy.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#4Adblocking list should be what their name says: lists that match ads (and advertising-related trackers). There is no place in such a list for politically motivated blacklists. Content based blacklists have their place too. Users are of course free to create hate-speech-block, union-block, trump-block, liberal-block, nazi-block or any-other-category-block, but if these lists are distributed through an adblocker they s…
I really wish the internet would be client-side filtered by default, instead of centrally moderated.
We'll end up with filter bubbles either way.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#5This is not precisely about the filter list but the whole shenanigans that led to it. Persons from other countries might be interested in this little quirk of Finland. Especially as it relates to workers rights in general.
In Finland, unique among Nordic countries, political strikes are allowed. What does this mean? Let's say you're not happy about a decision made by Trump you can go to a strike. Sure the company doesn't have to pay you but they also must allow you to come back to work without repercussions when you decide. It's basically unlimited unpaid holiday. Or alternatively keeping the employer hostage in order to affect the behavior of an unrelated third party.
So obviously we as a country are bit torn on the issue as what can the employer do about it? Go to white house and take Trump as hostage so that he would change his decision? It is also questionable from democratic perspective. Why should a subset of population have more saying than the rest. Shouldn't everyone have a single vote and based on that decisions are made. Instead of a minority having a vote + a veto right.
Similar overreactions like this adblock may come as right now bunch of major unions are protesting against government and that has brought political strikes back into limelight.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#6This is not precisely about the filter list but the whole shenanigans that led to it. Persons from other countries might be interested in this little quirk of Finland. Especially as it relates to workers rights in general. In Finland, unique among Nordic countries, political strikes are allowed. What does this mean? Let's say you're not happy about a decision made by Trump you can go to a strike. Sure the company doe…
> So obviously we as a country are bit torn on the issue as what can the employer do about it? Go to white house and take Trump as hostage so that he would change his decision?
Given how cozy the ruling coalition are with business interests, this is hardly some one sided thing over which only one party has control. Sipilä isn't just pulling this shit for fun, that's not how Finnish business or politics works. Everyone knows everyone, and the PM himself has personal business interests even.
The rule serves as a check against the collusion of the state and capital. As a card-carrying union member, I quite happily support any and all attempts to block this coalition's relentless attacks on workers' rights.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#7This is not precisely about the filter list but the whole shenanigans that led to it. Persons from other countries might be interested in this little quirk of Finland. Especially as it relates to workers rights in general. In Finland, unique among Nordic countries, political strikes are allowed. What does this mean? Let's say you're not happy about a decision made by Trump you can go to a strike. Sure the company doe…
> It is also questionable from democratic perspective. Why should a subset of population have more saying than the rest.
I wouldn't accept this argument at face value unless you were unusually disciplined about applying it equally everywhere.
For example, applying this rule equally everywhere means, among other things, eliminating capitalism. After all, capitalism creates a significant imbalance in power in practice via private ownership of the means of production. (It doesn't necessarily mean abolishing the free market, though - some form of market socialism should be compatible with democracy even in this extreme interpretation.)
If we step back from the extremes again, it's clear that this is all about balancing acts. Capitalist power means that a tiny minority has much more say than the rest. Political strikes can be a useful tool to provide a counterbalance.
Maybe there are better ways to provide this counterbalance, but you can't just take employee rights away without taking appropriate measures elsewhere as well to balance things out again.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#8This is not precisely about the filter list but the whole shenanigans that led to it. Persons from other countries might be interested in this little quirk of Finland. Especially as it relates to workers rights in general. In Finland, unique among Nordic countries, political strikes are allowed. What does this mean? Let's say you're not happy about a decision made by Trump you can go to a strike. Sure the company doe…
> So obviously we as a country are bit torn on the issue as what can the employer do about it? Go to white house and take Trump as hostage so that he would change his decision? Given how cozy the ruling coalition are with business interests, this is hardly some one sided thing over which only one party has control. Sipilä isn't just pulling this shit for fun, that's not how Finnish business or politics works. Everyon…
It depends. The card carrying union members in our company are protesting the strike. They want the union to focus on their contracts and not go against government some of the members potentially voted for.
So it’s a bit more complex issue. I just wanted to tell HN readers that there even is such a thing as a political strike.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#9This is not precisely about the filter list but the whole shenanigans that led to it. Persons from other countries might be interested in this little quirk of Finland. Especially as it relates to workers rights in general. In Finland, unique among Nordic countries, political strikes are allowed. What does this mean? Let's say you're not happy about a decision made by Trump you can go to a strike. Sure the company doe…
The fact that people are abusing tools for ad-blocking to achieve political goals is a major breach of trust. This is the main issue.
For the record, political strikes happen in the other Nordic countries as well. According to a quick search on the Internet, the only Nordic citizens who are _not_ allowed to partake in a political strike are public servants in Sweden.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#10This is not precisely about the filter list but the whole shenanigans that led to it. Persons from other countries might be interested in this little quirk of Finland. Especially as it relates to workers rights in general. In Finland, unique among Nordic countries, political strikes are allowed. What does this mean? Let's say you're not happy about a decision made by Trump you can go to a strike. Sure the company doe…
The fact that people are abusing tools for ad-blocking to achieve political goals is a major breach of trust. This is the main issue. For the record, political strikes happen in the other Nordic countries as well. According to a quick search on the Internet, the only Nordic citizens who are _not_ allowed to partake in a political strike are public servants in Sweden.
Yes I agree that the adblock list is a major breach of trust and should not have been done.
I just wanted to give especially Americans some view on how different things may be.
According to my search as an example in Denmark they're only allowed if "Short and for reasonable cause" and so forth and sweden was not listed at all, but norway was. This is likely a mix of case law and actual written law. https://www.asi.is/media/7581/Strike_rules_in_the_EU27.pdf