Bosnians who speak medieval Spanish
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Re: Bosnians who speak medieval Spanish
#2"[...] the language has maintained the structure of medieval Spanish and sounds more similar to some forms of Latin American Spanish than European Spanish"
I've read some Ladino and the only immediately apparent difference is the spelling and a few foreign words that have entered the language. They don't speak in formal polite form (as opposed to Latin American speakers of Spanish), so in that regard, it's closer to Castilian Spanish.
Re: Bosnians who speak medieval Spanish
#3"[...] the language has maintained the structure of medieval Spanish and sounds more similar to some forms of Latin American Spanish than European Spanish" I've read some Ladino and the only immediately apparent difference is the spelling and a few foreign words that have entered the language. They don't speak in formal polite form (as opposed to Latin American speakers of Spanish), so in that regard, it's closer to…
You might think reading it is enough, but last I looked into this there were some phonetic changes in both Spain and Latin America that Ladino never got.
For example, what happens to orthographic G before I or E? I think Ladino has [ʒ] there.
Does the orthographic X become [x] or is it [ʃ]? eg. How would they say Quixote, with a "sh" sound?
Many years ago I found some recordings on the internet and I think it had both of these "old" features. And maybe some new ones, there was something funky going on with nasal consonants, eg. "muestro" for "nuestro".
Re: Bosnians who speak medieval Spanish
#4"[...] the language has maintained the structure of medieval Spanish and sounds more similar to some forms of Latin American Spanish than European Spanish" I've read some Ladino and the only immediately apparent difference is the spelling and a few foreign words that have entered the language. They don't speak in formal polite form (as opposed to Latin American speakers of Spanish), so in that regard, it's closer to…
Usted(es) is a more modern invention. Ladino does have vos, which survives in some varieties, e.g. Argentine.
Re: Bosnians who speak medieval Spanish
#5"[...] the language has maintained the structure of medieval Spanish and sounds more similar to some forms of Latin American Spanish than European Spanish" I've read some Ladino and the only immediately apparent difference is the spelling and a few foreign words that have entered the language. They don't speak in formal polite form (as opposed to Latin American speakers of Spanish), so in that regard, it's closer to…
You might think reading it is enough, but last I looked into this there were some phonetic changes in both Spain and Latin America that Ladino never got. For example, what happens to orthographic G before I or E? I think Ladino has [ʒ] there. Does the orthographic X become [x] or is it [ʃ]? eg. How would they say Quixote , with a "sh" sound? Many years ago I found some recordings on the internet and I think it had bo…
> Does the orthographic X become [x] or is it [ʃ]? eg. How would they say Quixote, with a "sh" sound?
Interesting, I once came across the original spelling of Mexico: Mejico. In Brazil today they call it "Meshy-ko."
Similarly in English, many of features that the British like to look down their noses as "Americanisms" were invented in Britain.
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#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might think reading it is enough, but last I looked into this there were some phonetic changes in both Spain and Latin America that Ladino never got. For example, what happens to orthographic G before I or E? I think Ladino has [ʒ] there. Does the orthographic X become [x] or is it [ʃ]? eg. How would they say Quixote , with a "sh" sound? Many years ago I found some recordings on the internet and I think it had bo…
> Does the orthographic X become [x] or is it [ʃ]? eg. How would they say Quixote, with a "sh" sound? Interesting, I once came across the original spelling of Mexico: Mejico. In Brazil today they call it "Meshy-ko." Similarly in English, many of features that the British like to look down their noses as "Americanisms" were invented in Britain.
Yeah, this is a puzzling thing to me. The Spaniards came in and they wrote down a bunch of native Mexican place names with X being a sh sound, as it is today in other Iberian languages like Portuguese. Then that sound morphed in Spain into the kh sound, like in loch. In IPA-speak that is /ʃ/ to /x/. But they brought that sound change to the Americas too. So, both sides of the ocean see that change... But not Ladino elsewhere in Europe, much closer to Spain as the crow flies.
Another similar story I heard about English is non-rhotacism in the northeastern US. The British took north america pronouncing all the Rs. Then they dropped some. Then some northeastern cities did too. At least, this was the simplistic version I heard.
Re: Bosnians who speak medieval Spanish
#7"[...] the language has maintained the structure of medieval Spanish and sounds more similar to some forms of Latin American Spanish than European Spanish" I've read some Ladino and the only immediately apparent difference is the spelling and a few foreign words that have entered the language. They don't speak in formal polite form (as opposed to Latin American speakers of Spanish), so in that regard, it's closer to…
Usted(es) is a more modern invention. Ladino does have vos, which survives in some varieties, e.g. Argentine.
yep - they also use vosotros for the plural formal, which might throw off someone just reading the text lacking that knowledge.
yeísmo is also present, which is at present just about absent in Spain, except perhaps from the older speakers in the south.
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#8Somehow this article managed to discuss the status of a post-Holocaust European Jewish community without once mentioning Israel - where the largest community of Ladino speakers live, and where public radio has regular broadcasts in Ladino.
If Sephardi Jews who take up the Spanish Law of Return don't seem attached to Ladino, it's because they're a self-selected group who have decided not to take up the more famous Law of Return.
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#9Related, but I learned about the Ladino language some years ago searching for music. This group was a side project with lyrics in it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOFkIf__zZM
Re: Bosnians who speak medieval Spanish
#10"[...] the language has maintained the structure of medieval Spanish and sounds more similar to some forms of Latin American Spanish than European Spanish" I've read some Ladino and the only immediately apparent difference is the spelling and a few foreign words that have entered the language. They don't speak in formal polite form (as opposed to Latin American speakers of Spanish), so in that regard, it's closer to…
Usted(es) is a more modern invention. Ladino does have vos, which survives in some varieties, e.g. Argentine.
We use 'vos' and 'usted' more than 'tu' in Colombia, even with my girlfriend back and forth