Brain Drain Within the EU?
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Brain Drain Within the EU?
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#2tl;dr: It looks like there no opportunity for Italian scientists and engineers: they're all moving to Germany and the UK.
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#3Random thought: the UK has the advantage of speaking English.
First, that makes it easier for them to pull in other Europeans, since english is commonly the second language of most other Europeans. Second they can also pull in American and Canadian expats much easier than anyone else in Europe.
Germany is more interesting to me. German is not exactly the worlds most common first or second language. So this is more evidence of their complete and utter domination within the eu.
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#4The article is not clear; I did not look at the raw data, but the expectation of parity between population percent and percent of scientists/engineers is a hypothesis itself. It is well known that Italy produced far fewer people with advanced degree per capita than many other EU countries.
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#5Random thought: the UK has the advantage of speaking English. First, that makes it easier for them to pull in other Europeans, since english is commonly the second language of most other Europeans. Second they can also pull in American and Canadian expats much easier than anyone else in Europe. Germany is more interesting to me. German is not exactly the worlds most common first or second language. So this is more ev…
When I did my degree in the mid-90s it was already common to do a semester in Germany.
My university had exchange programs with Fraunhofer for those doing graphics research.
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#6tl;dr: It looks like there no opportunity for Italian scientists and engineers: they're all moving to Germany and the UK.
They will fix it European way.
> Support from the European Union could come handy in helping Italian and Spanish entrepreneurs overcome the gap with more developed parts of Europe, both in terms of funding and networking opportunities. Indeed, as for the former, both nations are among the first beneficiaries, in the last two years, of the funds earmarked by the EU for innovation and technological research in the Horizon 2020 program.
> Such instruments, however, while helpful, are not by any means perfect. “I think there is a lot of European money getting lost in the process between the people who is getting the grants and the entrepreneurs,” the vice president of the Spanish Startups Association, Carmen Bermejo, says. “The ones who know how to apply and get the European grants are sometimes not the same ones that know how to help the startups and deliver value. This is even worse if we speak about the European funds for regional cohesion, that depend a lot on personal contacts and relationships,” she adds.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/federicoguerrini/2016/07/06/how...
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#7I don't understand how these graphs show brain drain, there a bunch of other explanations. For example maybe a bigger proportion of Germans get an appropriate university degree than Italians. Or maybe the people getting an engineering degree in Italy can't get a job in that field, and end up working on something else but not emigrating. Or the difference comes from non-EU scientists/engineers preferentially moving to UK or Germany when immigrating to the EU.
To show brain drain you really need to look at the migration flows, not a static snapshot of the current populations.
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#8French salaries for postdocs and engineers in public research are fairly under average. Still we have plenty of Italians in our lab
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#9It would be interesting to see the percentages for scientists and researchers independently.
For France, for instance, researchers' wages are not very high. A lecturer typically starts with about 2115 euros per month before taxes typically for instance. On the contrary, I think that the salary of engineers is competitive with the ones in the UK and Germany.
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#10Random thought: the UK has the advantage of speaking English. First, that makes it easier for them to pull in other Europeans, since english is commonly the second language of most other Europeans. Second they can also pull in American and Canadian expats much easier than anyone else in Europe. Germany is more interesting to me. German is not exactly the worlds most common first or second language. So this is more ev…
Assuming (wrongly, but that's ok at first approximation) that money spent on academic research is a fraction of GDP, and that there is a positive correlation between money spent on research and jobs in research, UK and Germany should come on top for number of scientists. Plus they have, apart from the French CNRS, the top Institutions for scientific research in Europe.