Watch What Happens When You Push Away Skilled Immigrants
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#2I find many popular arguments about immigration lack nuance and are sometimes purposefully misleading.
I'm not fan of Trump, but he wants to institute a 'points based' system, along the lines of what Canada or Australia has.
Immigrants to Canada tend to be fairly educated, more so than those coming to the us partly due to this policy, partly due to the irregular migrants coming to the US.
The article's title and opening argument are basically inconsistent with reality: a points-based immigration system would likely mean more qualified migrants, not fewer.
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#3> it would strip citizenship from the children of green-card holders and illegal immigrants alike, leaving millions of American citizens suddenly without a country.
Would it take a person with citizenship and remove their citizenship, or would it simply not grant them citizenship?
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#4I find many popular arguments about immigration lack nuance and are sometimes purposefully misleading. I'm not fan of Trump, but he wants to institute a 'points based' system, along the lines of what Canada or Australia has. Immigrants to Canada tend to be fairly educated, more so than those coming to the us partly due to this policy, partly due to the irregular migrants coming to the US. The article's title and open…
[A] special clause in the bill could actually take away points if the applicant tries to bring his or her spouse...Drafters of the proposal said that it was modeled on similar systems used by Canada and Australia. But this is actually not how other countries treat family members under their points systems. In the five countries we examined that currently use similar points systems–Australia, Canada, Hong Kong, South Korea and New Zealand, spouses of applicants do not negatively impact the overall accumulation of points.
https://qz.com/1195155/trumps-merit-based-immigration-propos...
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#5> it would strip citizenship from the children of green-card holders and illegal immigrants alike, leaving millions of American citizens suddenly without a country. Would it take a person with citizenship and remove their citizenship, or would it simply not grant them citizenship?
What it would purport to do depends on the precise wording.
What it would actually do is get quickly struck down by the courts with no effect, since executive orders can't validly contradict federal statutory law or the Constitution.
Both sources of law currently protect birthright citizenship, except for the children of foreign diplomats who already don't benefit from it today (no new executive order needed).
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#6I find many popular arguments about immigration lack nuance and are sometimes purposefully misleading. I'm not fan of Trump, but he wants to institute a 'points based' system, along the lines of what Canada or Australia has. Immigrants to Canada tend to be fairly educated, more so than those coming to the us partly due to this policy, partly due to the irregular migrants coming to the US. The article's title and open…
Canada is getting plenty of less educated irregular migrants right now, primarily those departing from the US after the Trump administration ended their Temporary Protected Status programs which had let them stay legally in the US. Any of those affected who are highly educated are probably using the points system you describe to enter through regular channels.
Also, Canada has exactly the same birthright citizenship policy as the US, though it's merely in Canada's statutory law, not also in its constitution.
(Edited to replace "those people" with "those affected" - I just meant a neutral reference, not a phrase that racists often give a derogatory meaning.)
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#7I find many popular arguments about immigration lack nuance and are sometimes purposefully misleading. I'm not fan of Trump, but he wants to institute a 'points based' system, along the lines of what Canada or Australia has. Immigrants to Canada tend to be fairly educated, more so than those coming to the us partly due to this policy, partly due to the irregular migrants coming to the US. The article's title and open…
[A] special clause in the bill could actually take away points if the applicant tries to bring his or her spouse...Drafters of the proposal said that it was modeled on similar systems used by Canada and Australia. But this is actually not how other countries treat family members under their points systems. In the five countries we examined that currently use similar points systems–Australia, Canada, Hong Kong, South…
I find US proposal exact same as Canadian one. Under Canadian system, a person without any family is able to gain more points than one with spouse. Because the spouses gets judged on their own qualifications like degree, English language ability etc.
I think that article is incorrect. Try the points here yourself:- http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp
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#8The H1B study sounds suspicious and the defence of the H1B program weakened an otherwise strong article.
H1B abuses have been long documented so while there are legitimate benefits to it, they are outweighed by the problems.
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#9Current policies will give more opportunities for Americans.
Trump understands something that technology elites don't; the wealth pie is limited and you have to be deliberate in how you slice it and who you give those slices to.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
[A] special clause in the bill could actually take away points if the applicant tries to bring his or her spouse...Drafters of the proposal said that it was modeled on similar systems used by Canada and Australia. But this is actually not how other countries treat family members under their points systems. In the five countries we examined that currently use similar points systems–Australia, Canada, Hong Kong, South…
I find US proposal exact same as Canadian one. Under Canadian system, a person without any family is able to gain more points than one with spouse. Because the spouses gets judged on their own qualifications like degree, English language ability etc. I think that article is incorrect. Try the points here yourself:- http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp
It's correct. Canada includes spouses in the comparison, like you say, but with far less weighting than the principal applicant.
Usually the numbers don't work out to penalize the couple for the less qualified spouse in all but the most extreme Canadian immigration examples. A spouse having the opposite impact (helping the numbers) is far more common.
Under Trump's proposal, having a modestly less qualified spouse would hurt the principal applicant, unlike the normal Canadian immigration outcome.
I should note that the link you gave is not the points system used for approval, just the one that affects who can apply when, using certain of the many application pathways. A different points system is used for approval.
Source: immigrated to Canada myself. I don't have a spouse but I had reason to study the rules closely.